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 Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:22:07 -0500, David Hartung
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Might be interesting to see if this has any effects on the futures market.
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Won't
The price wasn't a reflection of supply |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:02:12 -0500, David Hartung
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If this is useless, exactly what could Bush do to lower the cost of oil,
and why would a leftist want the price to come down?
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For the identical reason why ANY rational American
would, you dingbat.
THat has nothing to do with incentives to produce and
use less gas-guzzling monstrosities;
or, altlernative sources of energy,
or, use less in conspicous consumption.
or, (for just one example) produce/use millions of
barrels of oil just to produce plastic water bottles
selling municipal water with hi-faluting names. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:12:23 -0500, David Hartung
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In other words, you have no idea, you just want to criticize the President.
I suspect that this is typical of Bush's opponents.
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You dingbat
EVERY allegation against bush, and the now approaching
75% dislike of the lying sack of shit is backed up by
the public record
No one can help that YOU don't know what the public
record has been, hartung. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:12:23 -0500, David Hartung
d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
In other words, you have no idea, you just want to criticize the President.
I suspect that this is typical of Bush's opponents.
You dingbat
EVERY allegation against bush, and the now approaching
75% dislike of the lying sack of shit is backed up by
the public record
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Actually, you are wrong.
About 90% of the accusations against Bush have no basis in fact. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:17:29 -0500, David Hartung
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I agree, we need to get a hand on spending, but the point you ignore is
that the democrats are every bit as spend happy as the Republicans.
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You dingbat
It's WHAT you "spend in on" that constitutes whether or
not it's a good policy
Spending it on the top 5% of the wealth and corporate
class is a BAD investment
Spending on infrastructure, education, medical, health,
water, air, etc is a GOOD policy
Since 1994, we've spent in on the Wealth, business and
coroprations (like $40 Billion for Oil companies to
"Find" oil") |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:02:12 -0500, David Hartung
d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
If this is useless, exactly what could Bush do to lower the cost of oil,
and why would a leftist want the price to come down?
For the identical reason why ANY rational American
would, you dingbat.
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Aren't you one of those who has always wanted higher prices in order to
drive down consumption?
Wasn't this one of the reasons given for the increase in the gas tax
during the Clinton MisAdministration? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:17:29 -0500, David Hartung
d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
I agree, we need to get a hand on spending, but the point you ignore is
that the democrats are every bit as spend happy as the Republicans.
You dingbat
It's WHAT you "spend in on" that constitutes whether or
not it's a good policy
Spending it on the top 5% of the wealth and corporate
class is a BAD investment
Spending on infrastructure, education, medical, health,
water, air, etc is a GOOD policy
Since 1994, we've spent in on the Wealth, business and
coroprations (like $40 Billion for Oil companies to
"Find" oil")
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Given the high cost of oil, it seems to me that oil exploration is a
good idea.
In any case, suppose you support your claim that we have spent our
public funds on the top 5% of Americans.
You may want to take a look at this:
http://www.nerepublican.com/index.php/2007/09/08/democrat-earmarks-for-the-elite/
It seems that the Democrats are every bit as much in love with pork as
the Republicans.
In other words, you can cease your claims that the Democrats are the
party of the common man. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:24:31 -0500, David Hartung
<d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
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Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:02:12 -0500, David Hartung
d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
If this is useless, exactly what could Bush do to lower the cost of oil,
and why would a leftist want the price to come down?
For the identical reason why ANY rational American
would, you dingbat.
Aren't you one of those who has always wanted higher prices in order to
drive down consumption?
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No, I want to replace the taxes on the wealth class who
can pay any amount for anything and never miss a beat.
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Wasn't this one of the reasons given for the increase in the gas tax
during the Clinton MisAdministration?
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Lower consumption causes lower prices
Alternative energy causes lower consumption,
Efficiency causes lower consumption |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:13 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:21:30 -0500, David Hartung
<d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
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Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:12:23 -0500, David Hartung
d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
In other words, you have no idea, you just want to criticize the President.
I suspect that this is typical of Bush's opponents.
You dingbat
EVERY allegation against bush, and the now approaching
75% dislike of the lying sack of shit is backed up by
the public record
Actually, you are wrong.
About 90% of the accusations against Bush have no basis in fact.
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Not according to the public record
He failed to take his flight physical
His Commanding officer thought he was misfit
He was a drunk
He tacitly admitted drug use "prior to my daddy
becoming VP"
He lied about WMD
He ripped taxpayers off in that TX stadium deal
He's a product of a major university that practiced a
form of priviliged acceptance because of his fathers
name.
He's practically illiterate---self evidence of a major
lack of education---supporting a claim that he was
"given" those grades.
He cannot speak intelligently about anything in his
chosen field of economics----
Did I mention his lying? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:28:46 -0500, David Hartung
<d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
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Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:17:29 -0500, David Hartung
d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
I agree, we need to get a hand on spending, but the point you ignore is
that the democrats are every bit as spend happy as the Republicans.
You dingbat
It's WHAT you "spend in on" that constitutes whether or
not it's a good policy
Spending it on the top 5% of the wealth and corporate
class is a BAD investment
Spending on infrastructure, education, medical, health,
water, air, etc is a GOOD policy
Since 1994, we've spent in on the Wealth, business and
coroprations (like $40 Billion for Oil companies to
"Find" oil")
Given the high cost of oil, it seems to me that oil exploration is a
good idea.
In any case, suppose you support your claim that we have spent our
public funds on the top 5% of Americans.
You may want to take a look at this:
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Did. More propaganda---just look to the site that
shits it out, Hartung.
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"Diverting $4 billion from the VA healthcare system to a park for the 90210
zip code is insulting to the sacrifices our courageous veterans have made
for our country. Clearly, we have a long way to go in the battle to change
the culture in Washington and close the earmark favor factory."
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Did you ever post a single fucking whine about the
billions Bush funneled to the top 5%---then raised
taxes on the military? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:09:49 -0600, Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:24:31 -0500, David Hartung
d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:02:12 -0500, David Hartung
d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
If this is useless, exactly what could Bush do to lower the cost of oil,
and why would a leftist want the price to come down?
For the identical reason why ANY rational American
would, you dingbat.
Aren't you one of those who has always wanted higher prices in order to
drive down consumption?
No, I want to replace the taxes on the wealth class who
can pay any amount for anything and never miss a beat.
Wasn't this one of the reasons given for the increase in the gas tax
during the Clinton MisAdministration?
Lower consumption causes lower prices
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You do know that demand in the US is down, right? How are those gas
prices doing?
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Alternative energy causes lower consumption,
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You mean like those natural gas fired power plants? How's that worked
out with the home heating bills?
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Efficiency causes lower consumption
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One out of three isn't bad (for you). |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: BREAKING: President Bush lifts executive order, which b |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:49:03 -0400, nobody
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David Hartung opined stupidly:
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Wasn't this one of the reasons given for the increase in the gas tax
during the Clinton MisAdministration?
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To which I replied:
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Lower consumption causes lower prices
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When demand is high, the price goes up. There is
sufficient supply and cannot to totally accounted for
as to the huge rise in price of Gas by claiming more
drilling will ease prices.
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You do know that demand in the US is down, right? How are those gas
prices doing?
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exactly what I claim
We are using less (due to high price) and the price is
still high---evidence to suggest that more production
will not lower prices.....IOW "more drilling" is only
beneficial to the Foriegn oil companies we get our gas
from.
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Alternative energy causes lower consumption,
You mean like those natural gas fired power plants? How's that worked
out with the home heating bills?
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Natural gas is piped here, and coal is mined here. The
costs are affected by speculation. However, we don't
have to pay shipping costs from the Mid-East.
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Efficiency causes lower consumption
One out of three isn't bad (for you). |
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