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 Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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In article <94qj74p42jjj5hnag8feg93mtggvl3vjk1@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/07/8936_mccain_social_securi
ty_disgrace.html
John McCain Thinks Social Security Is A "Disgrace"
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The people who call themselves "Harry Hope" should understand that
Social Security IS a disgrace.
What do they call it when an administrator spends the "surplus" in a
pension fund?
Yes, they call it a felony.
Mostly because there's no such thing as a surplus in a pension fund. The
surplus IS the fund.
Q: What happened to the "surplus" in the Social Security Trust Fund?
A: You'll find out in 2017.
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Democracy Highlander
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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Harry Hope wrote:
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Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day
retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today.
And that's a disgrace.
It's an absolute disgrace, and it's got to be fixed.
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When the kid is young, today's elderly take care of him. They pay to build
hospitals where the kids are born, schools where they are educated and all
the rest of the expenses a kid need to survive, grow and prosper.
Into a mentally sane society, it is expected that the kid will take care of
the elderly when they are not able to take care of themselves anymore.
Well, this is expected to happen into a MENTALLY SANE society not into a
CONSERVATIVE society.
The conservatives however are no smarter and have no more soul than a snake
or an alligator. When they see a piece of wealth, they jump on it to grab
it even if by that they harm others. Even if by that they harm or starve
their own parents. The human life is of little worth for a conservative who
will let his mother die in pain and hunger for an extra casino token.
This is the true face of the conservatism. And here comes the Social
Security.
In his wisdom, FDR figured out that in order to save the human race from the
conservative animals, there must be a tax to force them to pay for those
who brought them in the world, otherwise conservatives will kill their
parents for a buck.
So by SS, the conservatives are forced to do what a mentally sane person
will do it by his own will. And this infuriate conservatives.
Give a plate with 3 days of food to a wild dog. He will eat all the food at
once until he puke, then starve for the rest of the time. He just have no
brain power to think more than that and if you try to take a part of the
food to save it for tomorrow so he won't starve, he will bark at you and
try to bite your hand.
This is exactly how conservatives brain is wired too. They are just too
mentally limited for their own good.
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The world of the future will be fully democratic or will not be at all.
Democracy Highlander
P.S.:
When I say "democratic", I use the word democratic coming from democracy not
from Democratic party. I am not connected in any way with Democratic party
and if they fail to do as promised and cut corporate corruption I have no
problem to turn on them and blog against them too. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:94qj74p42jjj5hnag8feg93mtggvl3vjk1@4ax.com...
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http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/07/8936_mccain_social_security_disgrace.html
John McCain Thinks Social Security Is A "Disgrace"
On Monday, during a town hall in Denver, John McCain proposed a
radical "fix" for the way Social Security is funded.
Responding to a questioner who claimed Social Security "will not be
there" when current workers retire (which is wrong),
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/about-the-social-security-trust-fund/
McCain said this:
Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day
retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today.
And that's a disgrace.
It's an absolute disgrace, and it's got to be fixed.
As anyone who knows anything about Social Security understands,
"paying present-day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers" is
pretty much the functional definition of Social Security.
Always has been.
That's what John McCain is calling an "absolute disgrace."
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He's right. You're WRONG.
when you put money into savings, you create an asset that should be there
working for you. you should be able to withdraw that asset when the time
comes. if you die, your heirs shuld get the remains of that asset.
your retirement savings should NOT go into a pool to pay out to others.
That's called a Ponzi sceme and is illegal. Except for the government.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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"Democracy Highlander" <nospam_example_com@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9233465.VcNU3LXHB4@q787895.example.com...
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Harry Hope wrote:
Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day
retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today.
And that's a disgrace.
It's an absolute disgrace, and it's got to be fixed.
When the kid is young, today's elderly take care of him. They pay to build
hospitals where the kids are born, schools where they are educated and all
the rest of the expenses a kid need to survive, grow and prosper.
Into a mentally sane society, it is expected that the kid will take care
of
the elderly when they are not able to take care of themselves anymore.
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so the government is involved why?
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Well, this is expected to happen into a MENTALLY SANE society not into a
CONSERVATIVE society.
The conservatives however are no smarter and have no more soul than a
snake
or an alligator. When they see a piece of wealth, they jump on it to grab
it even if by that they harm others. Even if by that they harm or starve
their own parents. The human life is of little worth for a conservative
who
will let his mother die in pain and hunger for an extra casino token.
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leftbot mantras
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This is the true face of the conservatism. And here comes the Social
Security.
In his wisdom, FDR figured out that in order to save the human race from
the
conservative animals, there must be a tax to force them to pay for those
who brought them in the world, otherwise conservatives will kill their
parents for a buck.
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hatebot fantasies
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So by SS, the conservatives are forced to do what a mentally sane person
will do it by his own will. And this infuriate conservatives.
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actually, it is the poor who are being exploited by this tax
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Give a plate with 3 days of food to a wild dog. He will eat all the food
at
once until he puke, then starve for the rest of the time. He just have no
brain power to think more than that and if you try to take a part of the
food to save it for tomorrow so he won't starve, he will bark at you and
try to bite your hand.
This is exactly how conservatives brain is wired too. They are just too
mentally limited for their own good.
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unlike leftbots, who conserve and save and plan and do not rely on
government for their living.
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The world of the future will be fully democratic or will not be at all.
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there are two logical outcomes for pure democracy - anarchy or fascism. I
highly doubt you would want to live in a pure democracy, where minority
rights go unprotected.
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Democracy Highlander
P.S.:
When I say "democratic", I use the word democratic coming from democracy
not
from Democratic party. I am not connected in any way with Democratic party
and if they fail to do as promised and cut corporate corruption I have no
problem to turn on them and blog against them too. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:57:02 -0200, Neolibertarian
<cognac756@gmail.com> wrote:
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What do they call it when an administrator spends the "surplus" in a
pension fund?
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You mean absent law?
Or do you just like to shoot your mouth off? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:47:27 -0700, "OneTwoThree"
<youare@notverysmart.ru> wrote:
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when you put money into savings, you create an asset that should be there
working for you.
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"should"??
You aren't just joking?
Seems like yesterday, the "savings" that 11,000 people
had is now minus $500 millions today
Whatcha think? |
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Democracy Highlander
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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OneTwoThree wrote:
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when you put money into savings, you create an asset that should be there
working for you.
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when you put money into savings they erode with inflation
when you put money into assets you get an Enron stock
when you put money into a hedge-fund like Bayou Group you get an Samuel
Israel to deal with:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/business/03bayou.html
when you put money into "respected" Wall Street giant like Bear Stern the
shares tumble
etc......
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you should be able to withdraw that asset when the time
comes.
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Unless your money has been stolen by CEOs, managers, rich shareholders and
other "respected" businessmen. In that case, you are told that "You were
not market savvy, so it is your fault". The guys who tell you that are the
same conservatives who had stolen your savings and now party on your hard
work for a life time.
And here is why conservatives hate Social Security:
Because there is a lot of money they can not touch and they can not stole
them.
The same sharks that made billions over billions and have a lavish life
style by raiding 401ks, pension funds and other market savings are kept
away from that huuuuge pool of money. Just imagine a shark circling around
a nice piece of fresh flesh held inside of a chicken-wire box. He is going
to get nuts that he can not grab it, so that in the end he is going to
attach and cut the wires.
This is what conservatives are trying to do now with all these pathetic
attacks against SS. They are getting nuts, driven insane by the huge amount
of money they can not stole from hard working Americans.
--
The world of the future will be fully democratic or will not be at all.
Democracy Highlander
P.S.:
When I say "democratic", I use the word democratic coming from democracy not
from Democratic party. I am not connected in any way with Democratic party
and if they fail to do as promised and cut corporate corruption I have no
problem to turn on them and blog against them too. |
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OneTwoThree
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:47:27 -0700, "OneTwoThree"
youare@notverysmart.ru> wrote:
when you put money into savings, you create an asset that should be there
working for you.
"should"??
You aren't just joking?
Seems like yesterday, the "savings" that 11,000 people
had is now minus $500 millions today
Whatcha think?
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I think you're an idiot who has no grasp of fundamental money management
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OneTwoThree
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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"Democracy Highlander" <nospam_example_com@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3266312.1XjOp5vEeK@q787895.example.com...
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OneTwoThree wrote:
when you put money into savings, you create an asset that should be there
working for you.
when you put money into savings they erode with inflation
when you put money into assets you get an Enron stock
when you put money into a hedge-fund like Bayou Group you get an Samuel
Israel to deal with:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/business/03bayou.html
when you put money into "respected" Wall Street giant like Bear Stern the
shares tumble
etc......
you should be able to withdraw that asset when the time
comes.
Unless your money has been stolen by CEOs, managers, rich shareholders and
other "respected" businessmen. In that case, you are told that "You were
not market savvy, so it is your fault". The guys who tell you that are the
same conservatives who had stolen your savings and now party on your hard
work for a life time.
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got proof? file a lawsuit
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And here is why conservatives hate Social Security:
Because there is a lot of money they can not touch and they can not stole
them.
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learn English.
BTW, the government continues to steal social security - using it to maks
the realities of the deficit
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The same sharks that made billions over billions and have a lavish life
style by raiding 401ks, pension funds and other market savings are kept
away from that huuuuge pool of money. Just imagine a shark circling around
a nice piece of fresh flesh held inside of a chicken-wire box. He is going
to get nuts that he can not grab it, so that in the end he is going to
attach and cut the wires.
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the same govenment ponzi schemers who play the shell game well - qand
leftbots like you worship at their feet.
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This is what conservatives are trying to do now with all these pathetic
attacks against SS. They are getting nuts, driven insane by the huge
amount
of money they can not stole from hard working Americans.
--
The world of the future will be fully democratic or will not be at all.
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wiser people than you have observed: "A democracy cannot exist as a
permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover
they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment
on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most
benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always
collapses over a loose fiscal responsibility, always followed by a
dictatorship."
Sound familiar?
Sound like you?
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Democracy Highlander
P.S.:
When I say "democratic", I use the word democratic coming from democracy
not
from Democratic party. I am not connected in any way with Democratic party
and if they fail to do as promised and cut corporate corruption I have no
problem to turn on them and blog against them too. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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On Jul 13, 6:41 am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/07/8936_mccain_soci...
John McCain Thinks Social Security Is A "Disgrace"
On Monday, during a town hall in Denver, John McCain proposed a
radical "fix" for the way Social Security is funded.
Responding to a questioner who claimed Social Security "will not be
there" when current workers retire (which is wrong),http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/about-the-social-security...
McCain said this:
Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day
retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today.
And that's a disgrace.
It's an absolute disgrace, and it's got to be fixed.
As anyone who knows anything about Social Security understands,
"paying present-day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers" is
pretty much the functional definition of Social Security.
Always has been.
That's what John McCain is calling an "absolute disgrace."
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:30:16 -0400, Democracy
Highlander <nospam_example_com@yahoo.com> wrote:
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OneTwoThree wrote:
when you put money into savings, you create an asset that should be there
working for you.
when you put money into savings they erode with inflation
when you put money into assets you get an Enron stock
when you put money into a hedge-fund like Bayou Group you get an Samuel
Israel to deal with:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/business/03bayou.html
when you put money into "respected" Wall Street giant like Bear Stern the
shares tumble
etc......
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:52 -0700, "OneTwoThree"
<youare@notverysmart.ru> wrote:
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Unless your money has been stolen by CEOs, managers, rich shareholders and
other "respected" businessmen. In that case, you are told that "You were
not market savvy, so it is your fault". The guys who tell you that are the
same conservatives who had stolen your savings and now party on your hard
work for a life time.
got proof? file a lawsuit
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Exept your idiots passed laws that make it extremely
difficult, if not impossible
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And here is why conservatives hate Social Security:
Because there is a lot of money they can not touch
learn English.
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Learn to comprehend
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BTW, the government continues to steal social security - using it to maks
the realities of the deficit
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Stealing is against the law
Income tax is not.
Glad to educate you in basic civics.
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The same sharks that made billions over billions and have a lavish life
style by raiding 401ks, pension funds and other market savings are kept
away from that huuuuge pool of money.
the same govenment ponzi schemers who play the shell game well - qand
leftbots like you worship at their feet.
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The goal of SS is not to make you rich, stupid.
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The world of the future will be fully democratic or will not be at all.
wiser people than you have observed: "A democracy cannot exist as a
permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover
they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
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You mean like before 1933? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:52 -0700, "OneTwoThree"
youare@notverysmart.ru> wrote:
Unless your money has been stolen by CEOs, managers, rich shareholders
and
other "respected" businessmen. In that case, you are told that "You were
not market savvy, so it is your fault". The guys who tell you that are
the
same conservatives who had stolen your savings and now party on your
hard
work for a life time.
got proof? file a lawsuit
Exept your idiots passed laws that make it extremely
difficult, if not impossible
And here is why conservatives hate Social Security:
Because there is a lot of money they can not touch
learn English.
Learn to comprehend
BTW, the government continues to steal social security - using it to maks
the realities of the deficit
Stealing is against the law
Income tax is not.
Glad to educate you in basic civics.
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obviously you are too stupid to understand the difference between the income
tax and FICA
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The same sharks that made billions over billions and have a lavish life
style by raiding 401ks, pension funds and other market savings are kept
away from that huuuuge pool of money.
the same govenment ponzi schemers who play the shell game well - qand
leftbots like you worship at their feet.
The goal of SS is not to make you rich, stupid.
The world of the future will be fully democratic or will not be at all.
wiser people than you have observed: "A democracy cannot exist as a
permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover
they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
You mean like before 1933?
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I mean like after 1964
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Why Does John McCain Hate Social Security? |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:08:24 -0700, "OneTwoThree"
<youare@notverysmart.ru> wrote:
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BTW, the government continues to steal social security - using it to maks
the realities of the deficit
Stealing is against the law
Income tax is not.
Glad to educate you in basic civics.
obviously you are too stupid to understand the difference between the income
tax and FICA
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So, you're claimng that FICA tax isn't related to
Income? |
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