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Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
From The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/13/08:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9866059?source=rss
By Matthew D. LaPlante
The Salt Lake Tribune
'Worse than the adult prisons'
American investigators probing allegations of torture at an Iraqi-run
juvenile prison in Baghdad found clear evidence earlier this year that
Sunni children had been murdered by their Shiite captors, according to
a lead officer on the investigative team.
"The security detail came in literally as they were cleaning the blood
from the floor - they had just killed two Sunni kids," said Lt. Col.
Craig J. Simper, a Judge Advocate General Corps officer from the
Utah-based 419th Fighter Wing, who helped arrange the inspection.
"The explanation was that these guys were trying to escape, but our
investigation concluded that they were actually scheduled for
release."
As part of an ongoing effort to transfer control of traditional
government functions, the U.S. military is seeking to put more prisons
and prisoners under regional leadership.
But Iraq security experts say that, in some cases, the result of
decentralization has been inadequate funding, training and oversight
over detention operations in several Iraqi ministries, including the
Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs, which has responsibility for
Iraq's juvenile detention facilities.
And that can create an environment ripe for abuse.
That's what Simper, a Brigham City resident, says the U.S. Department
of Justice's Law and Order Task Force found during its unannounced
inspection of the Tobchi Juvenile Detention Facility shortly after
Easter.
The next month, the U.S. halted the transfer of 130 juvenile detainees
to the facility.
Under the social affairs ministry, juvenile detention centers are
supposed to offer academic and vocational training, but Simper
described "a prison in the very worst sense . . . it was worse than
the adult prisons."
"We found lots of evidence of torture, of physical and sexual abuse,
just deplorable conditions," he said.
"The rats were the size of Chihuahuas and the juveniles were being
housed 50 to a cell."
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
The two boys who were killed were in their midteens, he said.
____________________________________________________
Bringing "democracy" to Iraq.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Torture and murder of communist Harry Hope bring smiles to A |
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On Jul 13, 9:38 am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
From The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/13/08:http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9866059?source=rss
By Matthew D. LaPlante
The Salt Lake Tribune
'Worse than the adult prisons'
American investigators probing allegations of torture at an Iraqi-run
juvenile prison in Baghdad found clear evidence earlier this year that
Sunni children had been murdered by their Shiite captors, according to
a lead officer on the investigative team.
"The security detail came in literally as they were cleaning the blood
from the floor - they had just killed two Sunni kids," said Lt. Col.
Craig J. Simper, a Judge Advocate General Corps officer from the
Utah-based 419th Fighter Wing, who helped arrange the inspection.
"The explanation was that these guys were trying to escape, but our
investigation concluded that they were actually scheduled for
release."
As part of an ongoing effort to transfer control of traditional
government functions, the U.S. military is seeking to put more prisons
and prisoners under regional leadership.
But Iraq security experts say that, in some cases, the result of
decentralization has been inadequate funding, training and oversight
over detention operations in several Iraqi ministries, including the
Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs, which has responsibility for
Iraq's juvenile detention facilities.
And that can create an environment ripe for abuse.
That's what Simper, a Brigham City resident, says the U.S. Department
of Justice's Law and Order Task Force found during its unannounced
inspection of the Tobchi Juvenile Detention Facility shortly after
Easter.
The next month, the U.S. halted the transfer of 130 juvenile detainees
to the facility.
Under the social affairs ministry, juvenile detention centers are
supposed to offer academic and vocational training, but Simper
described "a prison in the very worst sense . . . it was worse than
the adult prisons."
"We found lots of evidence of torture, of physical and sexual abuse,
just deplorable conditions," he said.
"The rats were the size of Chihuahuas and the juveniles were being
housed 50 to a cell."
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
The two boys who were killed were in their midteens, he said.
____________________________________________________
Bringing "democracy" to Iraq.
Harry
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What do Americans have to do with Arabs murdering Arabs?
Harry...why do you hate America and your own Father so very much?
Seek help buddy.
love
hank |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Torture and murder of children at Iraqi juvenile prison |
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In article <bs0k74lfuuf1b84rl936a8usc01i3o08q2@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
From The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/13/08:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9866059?source=rss
By Matthew D. LaPlante
The Salt Lake Tribune
'Worse than the adult prisons'
American investigators probing allegations of torture at an Iraqi-run
juvenile prison in Baghdad found clear evidence earlier this year that
Sunni children had been murdered by their Shiite captors, according to
a lead officer on the investigative team.
"The security detail came in literally as they were cleaning the blood
from the floor - they had just killed two Sunni kids," said Lt. Col.
Craig J. Simper, a Judge Advocate General Corps officer from the
Utah-based 419th Fighter Wing, who helped arrange the inspection.
"The explanation was that these guys were trying to escape, but our
investigation concluded that they were actually scheduled for
release."
As part of an ongoing effort to transfer control of traditional
government functions, the U.S. military is seeking to put more prisons
and prisoners under regional leadership.
But Iraq security experts say that, in some cases, the result of
decentralization has been inadequate funding, training and oversight
over detention operations in several Iraqi ministries, including the
Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs, which has responsibility for
Iraq's juvenile detention facilities.
And that can create an environment ripe for abuse.
That's what Simper, a Brigham City resident, says the U.S. Department
of Justice's Law and Order Task Force found during its unannounced
inspection of the Tobchi Juvenile Detention Facility shortly after
Easter.
The next month, the U.S. halted the transfer of 130 juvenile detainees
to the facility.
Under the social affairs ministry, juvenile detention centers are
supposed to offer academic and vocational training, but Simper
described "a prison in the very worst sense . . . it was worse than
the adult prisons."
"We found lots of evidence of torture, of physical and sexual abuse,
just deplorable conditions," he said.
"The rats were the size of Chihuahuas and the juveniles were being
housed 50 to a cell."
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
The two boys who were killed were in their midteens, he said.
____________________________________________________
Bringing "democracy" to Iraq.
Of course, if Obama/Kerry/Gore had been in the Oval Office, instead of |
the chimp, Saddam Hussein would still be alive and President for Life of
Iraq.
Yes, Saddam had children's prisons too. Abu Ghraib was exponentially
worse under his goons, than when it was run by the incompetent brute,
Graner.
But "Harry Hope" wouldn't care about any of that, because it has nothing
to do with making America a marxist nation.
Let's not allow those isolated attacks on 9/11 detract us from what's
really important: The Dictator of the Legislature, ending the last
remnants of the Bill of Rights, and the nationalization of American
Industry.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Torture and murder of communist Harry Hope bring smiles |
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"Rightwinghank" <rightwinghank@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:76f241a9-022c-47b7-927a-4a0109d2a931@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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On Jul 13, 9:38 am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
From The Salt Lake Tribune,
7/13/08:http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9866059?source=rss
By Matthew D. LaPlante
The Salt Lake Tribune
'Worse than the adult prisons'
American investigators probing allegations of torture at an Iraqi-run
juvenile prison in Baghdad found clear evidence earlier this year that
Sunni children had been murdered by their Shiite captors, according to
a lead officer on the investigative team.
"The security detail came in literally as they were cleaning the blood
from the floor - they had just killed two Sunni kids," said Lt. Col.
Craig J. Simper, a Judge Advocate General Corps officer from the
Utah-based 419th Fighter Wing, who helped arrange the inspection.
"The explanation was that these guys were trying to escape, but our
investigation concluded that they were actually scheduled for
release."
As part of an ongoing effort to transfer control of traditional
government functions, the U.S. military is seeking to put more prisons
and prisoners under regional leadership.
But Iraq security experts say that, in some cases, the result of
decentralization has been inadequate funding, training and oversight
over detention operations in several Iraqi ministries, including the
Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs, which has responsibility for
Iraq's juvenile detention facilities.
And that can create an environment ripe for abuse.
That's what Simper, a Brigham City resident, says the U.S. Department
of Justice's Law and Order Task Force found during its unannounced
inspection of the Tobchi Juvenile Detention Facility shortly after
Easter.
The next month, the U.S. halted the transfer of 130 juvenile detainees
to the facility.
Under the social affairs ministry, juvenile detention centers are
supposed to offer academic and vocational training, but Simper
described "a prison in the very worst sense . . . it was worse than
the adult prisons."
"We found lots of evidence of torture, of physical and sexual abuse,
just deplorable conditions," he said.
"The rats were the size of Chihuahuas and the juveniles were being
housed 50 to a cell."
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
The two boys who were killed were in their midteens, he said.
____________________________________________________
Bringing "democracy" to Iraq.
Harry
...........................................................................
What do Americans have to do with Arabs murdering Arabs?
Harry...why do you hate America and your own Father so very much?
Seek help buddy.
love
hank
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Sick Suggestion of Torture and murder of Heroic American |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:38:12 -0400, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
From The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/13/08:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9866059?source=rss
By Matthew D. LaPlante
The Salt Lake Tribune
'Worse than the adult prisons'
American investigators probing allegations of torture at an Iraqi-run
juvenile prison in Baghdad found clear evidence earlier this year that
Sunni children had been murdered by their Shiite captors, according to
a lead officer on the investigative team.
"The security detail came in literally as they were cleaning the blood
from the floor - they had just killed two Sunni kids," said Lt. Col.
Craig J. Simper, a Judge Advocate General Corps officer from the
Utah-based 419th Fighter Wing, who helped arrange the inspection.
"The explanation was that these guys were trying to escape, but our
investigation concluded that they were actually scheduled for
release."
As part of an ongoing effort to transfer control of traditional
government functions, the U.S. military is seeking to put more prisons
and prisoners under regional leadership.
But Iraq security experts say that, in some cases, the result of
decentralization has been inadequate funding, training and oversight
over detention operations in several Iraqi ministries, including the
Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs, which has responsibility for
Iraq's juvenile detention facilities.
And that can create an environment ripe for abuse.
That's what Simper, a Brigham City resident, says the U.S. Department
of Justice's Law and Order Task Force found during its unannounced
inspection of the Tobchi Juvenile Detention Facility shortly after
Easter.
The next month, the U.S. halted the transfer of 130 juvenile detainees
to the facility.
Under the social affairs ministry, juvenile detention centers are
supposed to offer academic and vocational training, but Simper
described "a prison in the very worst sense . . . it was worse than
the adult prisons."
"We found lots of evidence of torture, of physical and sexual abuse,
just deplorable conditions," he said.
"The rats were the size of Chihuahuas and the juveniles were being
housed 50 to a cell."
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
The two boys who were killed were in their midteens, he said.
____________________________________________________
Bringing "democracy" to Iraq.
Harry
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: Torture and murder of children at Iraqi juvenile prison |
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Neolibertarian wrote:
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In article <bs0k74lfuuf1b84rl936a8usc01i3o08q2@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
From The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/13/08:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9866059?source=rss
By Matthew D. LaPlante
The Salt Lake Tribune
'Worse than the adult prisons'
American investigators probing allegations of torture at an Iraqi-run
juvenile prison in Baghdad found clear evidence earlier this year that
Sunni children had been murdered by their Shiite captors, according to
a lead officer on the investigative team.
"The security detail came in literally as they were cleaning the blood
from the floor - they had just killed two Sunni kids," said Lt. Col.
Craig J. Simper, a Judge Advocate General Corps officer from the
Utah-based 419th Fighter Wing, who helped arrange the inspection.
"The explanation was that these guys were trying to escape, but our
investigation concluded that they were actually scheduled for
release."
As part of an ongoing effort to transfer control of traditional
government functions, the U.S. military is seeking to put more prisons
and prisoners under regional leadership.
But Iraq security experts say that, in some cases, the result of
decentralization has been inadequate funding, training and oversight
over detention operations in several Iraqi ministries, including the
Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs, which has responsibility for
Iraq's juvenile detention facilities.
And that can create an environment ripe for abuse.
That's what Simper, a Brigham City resident, says the U.S. Department
of Justice's Law and Order Task Force found during its unannounced
inspection of the Tobchi Juvenile Detention Facility shortly after
Easter.
The next month, the U.S. halted the transfer of 130 juvenile detainees
to the facility.
Under the social affairs ministry, juvenile detention centers are
supposed to offer academic and vocational training, but Simper
described "a prison in the very worst sense . . . it was worse than
the adult prisons."
"We found lots of evidence of torture, of physical and sexual abuse,
just deplorable conditions," he said.
"The rats were the size of Chihuahuas and the juveniles were being
housed 50 to a cell."
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
The two boys who were killed were in their midteens, he said.
____________________________________________________
Bringing "democracy" to Iraq.
Of course, if Obama/Kerry/Gore had been in the Oval Office, instead of
the chimp, Saddam Hussein would still be alive and President for Life of
Iraq.
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Probably. And America would still be respected around the world, oil
would be under $60/barrel, over 4100 American troops would still be
alive, as well as tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis. There wouldn't
be hundreds of thousands of Iraqi refugees.
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Yes, Saddam had children's prisons too. Abu Ghraib was exponentially
worse under his goons, than when it was run by the incompetent brute,
Graner.
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If Saddam ran the prison before the invasion then it was George Bush's
responsibility afterward. Don't compare a President with an Army
reservist. Charles Graner did not run Abu Ghraib. And now, all that
blood is on our hands.
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But "Harry Hope" wouldn't care about any of that, because it has nothing
to do with making America a marxist nation.
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The founding fathers must have been Marxists.
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Let's not allow those isolated attacks on 9/11 detract us from what's
really important: The Dictator of the Legislature, ending the last
remnants of the Bill of Rights, and the nationalization of American
Industry.
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We don't have the nationalization of industry, we have the
Corporatization of Government. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Torture and murder of children at Iraqi juvenile prison |
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On Jul 15, 1:25 am, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
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You need to read critically.
The United States has never ceased being "respected around the world."
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What?
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America, especially after the disaster in Yugoslavia, isn't liked around
the world.
"Liked" is different from "respected."
But then, who cares?
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"Feared" and "respected" are different as well.
Sometimes critical thinking is more important than
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Tom Sr.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Torture and murder of communist Harry Hope bring smiles |
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On Jul 13, 9:57 am, Rightwinghank <rightwingh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 13, 9:38 am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
The two boys who were killed were in their midteens, he said.
____________________________________________________
Bringing "democracy" to Iraq.
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What do Americans have to do with Arabs murdering Arabs?
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/browse_thread/thread/538d344e89b8e83a?hl=en#
On Jul 15, 8:10 am, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 15, 12:19 am, Eat the rich <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Phil Gramm reflects the views of most Republicans I've had the
displeasure of discussing politics with. As long as they are doing
ok, then everything is ok. It takes empathy to realize others are
suffering. It takes compassion to care. These are two qualities that
most Republicans lack. Of course, when they have problems they have
no problem "whining" about it.
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I completely *agree* with, EtR!
This is basically what I have said and thought for over 4 decades now
and the more I see of people and the world, the more evidence I see to
support the truth of it.
Republicans/Neoconservatives' politics are based on their selfish and
self-centered interests.
Democrats/Progressives' politics are based on the interests of
themselves *and* for *other* people, sometimes the world as a whole.
This extends beyond politics. These show the core beliefs, the world-
view, of people's personalities and how they behave in life.
This is so obviously seen by many, if not most, of the posters to
these newsgroups. The hatred of others that fills the
Neoconservatives. The concern for not only themselves but all people
that can be see in Progressives' posts.
It is a generalization, as people are not 100% self-centered or world-
centered, but it become very clear after reading a number of posts by
a person what their core-personality is.
I suspect if there are replies to our posts, we will be able to see
this in them.
-Tom Sr.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Torture and murder of children at Iraqi juvenile prison |
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In article <5uidnfGmKvUF1-fVnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
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Neolibertarian wrote:
In article <bs0k74lfuuf1b84rl936a8usc01i3o08q2@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
From The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/13/08:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9866059?source=rss
By Matthew D. LaPlante
The Salt Lake Tribune
'Worse than the adult prisons'
American investigators probing allegations of torture at an Iraqi-run
juvenile prison in Baghdad found clear evidence earlier this year that
Sunni children had been murdered by their Shiite captors, according to
a lead officer on the investigative team.
"The security detail came in literally as they were cleaning the blood
from the floor - they had just killed two Sunni kids," said Lt. Col.
Craig J. Simper, a Judge Advocate General Corps officer from the
Utah-based 419th Fighter Wing, who helped arrange the inspection.
"The explanation was that these guys were trying to escape, but our
investigation concluded that they were actually scheduled for
release."
As part of an ongoing effort to transfer control of traditional
government functions, the U.S. military is seeking to put more prisons
and prisoners under regional leadership.
But Iraq security experts say that, in some cases, the result of
decentralization has been inadequate funding, training and oversight
over detention operations in several Iraqi ministries, including the
Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs, which has responsibility for
Iraq's juvenile detention facilities.
And that can create an environment ripe for abuse.
That's what Simper, a Brigham City resident, says the U.S. Department
of Justice's Law and Order Task Force found during its unannounced
inspection of the Tobchi Juvenile Detention Facility shortly after
Easter.
The next month, the U.S. halted the transfer of 130 juvenile detainees
to the facility.
Under the social affairs ministry, juvenile detention centers are
supposed to offer academic and vocational training, but Simper
described "a prison in the very worst sense . . . it was worse than
the adult prisons."
"We found lots of evidence of torture, of physical and sexual abuse,
just deplorable conditions," he said.
"The rats were the size of Chihuahuas and the juveniles were being
housed 50 to a cell."
Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6 years
old.
The two boys who were killed were in their midteens, he said.
____________________________________________________
Bringing "democracy" to Iraq.
Of course, if Obama/Kerry/Gore had been in the Oval Office, instead of
the chimp, Saddam Hussein would still be alive and President for Life of
Iraq.
Probably. And America would still be respected around the world,
|
You need to read critically.
The United States has never ceased being "respected around the world."
America, especially after the disaster in Yugoslavia, isn't liked around
the world.
"Liked" is different from "respected."
But then, who cares?
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oil
would be under $60/barrel, over 4100 American troops would still be
alive, as well as tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis. There wouldn't
be hundreds of thousands of Iraqi refugees.
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Guesses, all. You don't understand the least of what's going on, do you?
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Yes, Saddam had children's prisons too. Abu Ghraib was exponentially
worse under his goons, than when it was run by the incompetent brute,
Graner.
If Saddam ran the prison before the invasion then it was George Bush's
responsibility afterward. Don't compare a President with an Army
reservist. Charles Graner did not run Abu Ghraib. And now, all that
blood is on our hands.
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Graner was in charge of his prison. He allowed several prisoners to
escape, and then conspired to keep this information from his superiors.
He was due for a court martial even before his loutish midnight birthday
party.
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But "Harry Hope" wouldn't care about any of that, because it has nothing
to do with making America a marxist nation.
The founding fathers must have been Marxists.
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No, the founding fathers were completely opposed to statism. Read the
Federalists Papers sometime--or not.
"Harry Hope" and his fearless leaders in the Dem Party are definitely
both statistst and marxists.
Demonstrable this is.
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Let's not allow those isolated attacks on 9/11 detract us from what's
really important: The Dictator of the Legislature, ending the last
remnants of the Bill of Rights, and the nationalization of American
Industry.
We don't have the nationalization of industry,
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Heh.
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we have the
Corporatization of Government.
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Corporatism can be eliminated. But you have to wake up from your
dreamworld first.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Torture and murder of children at Iraqi juvenile prison |
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American investigators probing allegations of torture at an
Iraqi-run juvenile prison in Baghdad found clear evidence earlier
this year that Sunni children had been murdered by their Shiite
captors, according to a lead officer on the investigative team.
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Their "Shiite captors" work for the USA, of course. We own Iraq.
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Simper said the boys being held in the prison were as young as 6
years old.
The two boys who were killed were in their midteens, he said.
Bringing "democracy" to Iraq.
Of course, if Obama/Kerry/Gore had been in the Oval Office, instead
of the chimp, Saddam Hussein would still be alive and President for
Life of Iraq.
Probably. And America would still be respected around the world,
You need to read critically.
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Reading about children being tortured, it is difficult not be critical.
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The United States has never ceased being "respected around the world."
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Torture and murder are NOT respected by the world. We have often had
respect in the world, but now we only have 10,000 nukes.
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America, especially after the disaster in Yugoslavia, isn't liked
around the world. "Liked" is different from "respected."
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Yes, where Bill Clinton bombed downtown Belgrade, killing commuters in
their cars on bridges...
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But then, who cares?
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Not you nazis, for sure. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Torture and murder of children at Iraqi juvenile prison |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:16:55 -0700 (PDT), forbisgaryg@msn.com wrote:
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On Jul 15, 1:25 am, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
You need to read critically.
The United States has never ceased being "respected around the world."
What?
America, especially after the disaster in Yugoslavia, isn't liked around
the world.
"Liked" is different from "respected."
But then, who cares?
"Feared" and "respected" are different as well.
Sometimes critical thinking is more important than
critical reading.
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If you're feared but not respected, you can never stumble. Once you're
down you'll be kicked to death. Respected is a better place to rule
from.
The US has stumbled under Bush and we're sprawled in the gutter. The
war in Iraq, the "value" of the dollar, our disintegrating financial
base and economy. We are in real danger of not getting up fast enough
to avoid being pummeled by the many people we have bullied, including
our "friends". |
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