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In <8m4l74l91sbtrluieib31ki36s85c1fjd0@4ax.com>, on 07/13/2008
at 04:44 PM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:22:46 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
In <1l7k74hvtmqhrnbpu82stjrmsb5f7l6ghh@4ax.com>, on 07/13/2008
at 08:28 AM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:43:49 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net
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"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
Like the one that JFK & LBJ started that killed over 55,000? Is that the
war you're referring to, Sid0?
Actually Truman and Ike got the US involved there - but yes, that kind of
unnecessary war.
Wrong. The war building began under Ike.
Wrong - the beginning was the propping up of the French by the US and the
sending of advisors to Vietnam.
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....And you don't think that was war-building?
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September 1950 - Truman sends the Military Assistance Advisory Group
(MAAG) Indochina to Vietnam to assist the French. The President claimed
they were not sent as combat troops, but to supervise the use of $10
million worth of US military equipment to support the French in their
effort to fight the Viet Minh forces.
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So? We did that in many countries. We do it today too. Support is not
starting a war. The war started when Ike started using US forces to
support the French; including us bombers and ships, and allowed the
stopping of the 1956 unification elections called for by the Geneva
accords...
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Following the outbreak of the Korean War, Truman announces
"acceleration in the furnishing of military assistance to the forces of
France and the Associated States in Indochina " and sends 123 non-combat
troops to help with supplies to fight against the communist Viet Minh.
1951 - Truman authorizes $150 million in French support.
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So? By your reasoning anytime we provide support with money we are
starting a war. That is nonsense and you know it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_and_the_Vietnam_War#Timeline:_Harry_S._Truman_and_the_Vietnam_War_.281945.E2.80.931953.29
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So? Support is not a war. We provide military support all over the globe.
The Vietnam war began when Ike sent ships and bombers to support the
French in 1954. And it really kicked off when Ike allowed the 1956
unification elections called for by the Geneva accords...
To claim otherwise is a lie.
>WB Yeats |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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What lie? JFK and LBJ got us into Vietnam, so where's the lie?
Sorry junior, but it was Ike. And no one else. Its all part of
history now, and your lies here will not change that.
Calling someone junior is just rude, not smart.
If someone is going to play stupid, they deserve to be called what
they are.
Then, after naming
yourself "truthteller" you lie. Then you call junior a liar. This is
not fooling anyone. Anyone who cares knows that what Ike started was
not the horror of the Vietnam war we fought. It is LBJ and a faked
attack by a Vietnamese boat that got us into the real shooting war.
And no junior, LBJ dod not fake an attack. He was lied to too.
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Got evidence of that? A reliable source of some sort? A book? I don't
think LBJ was that stupid. If you have evidence, I'll read it.
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Do learn some history before shooting your mouth off to vets.
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I'm a vet, too, and I know some history. Even the kind they don't put in
GI Joe comic books. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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In <Xns9ADACE4F32D40BertByfieldCaravela1@216.196.97.131>, on 07/13/2008
at 07:17 PM, Bert Byfield <BertByfield@nospam.not> said:
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What lie? JFK and LBJ got us into Vietnam, so where's the lie?
Sorry junior, but it was Ike. And no one else. Its all part of
history now, and your lies here will not change that.
Calling someone junior is just rude, not smart.
If someone is going to play stupid, they deserve to be called what
they are.
Then, after naming
yourself "truthteller" you lie. Then you call junior a liar. This is
not fooling anyone. Anyone who cares knows that what Ike started was
not the horror of the Vietnam war we fought. It is LBJ and a faked
attack by a Vietnamese boat that got us into the real shooting war.
And no junior, LBJ dod not fake an attack. He was lied to too.
Got evidence of that? A reliable source of some sort? A book? I don't
think LBJ was that stupid. If you have evidence, I'll read it.
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Yup. It was in the news around December two years back. The original NSA
tapes were found and checked again. No second attack took place and the
NSA knew it, but did not correct what had been initially sent on the
Pentagon and Whitehouse.
The NSA lied or erred, and no one corrected it. It took a researcher
looking 26 years later to find the truth of that night and correct the
record.
Never trust a spook.
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Do learn some history before shooting your mouth off to vets.
I'm a vet, too, and I know some history. Even the kind they don't put in
GI Joe comic books. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
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An unnecessary war started by a lying hick from Texas. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
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spammer wrote:
Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
An unnecessary war started by a lying hick from Texas.
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That damned LBJ anyway. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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"BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
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spammer wrote:
Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
An unnecessary war started by a lying hick from Texas.
That damned LBJ anyway.
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Another attempt to avoid the reality of Iraq by diversion!
To clarify for the dimwitted deniers among us:
An unnecessary war started by a lying bush,jr hick from Texas |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:30:44 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
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In <remm74h6nsqe29gugatcl32bthu4aggi43@4ax.com>, on 07/14/2008
at 06:55 AM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:07:23 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
In <8m4l74l91sbtrluieib31ki36s85c1fjd0@4ax.com>, on 07/13/2008
at 04:44 PM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:22:46 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
In <1l7k74hvtmqhrnbpu82stjrmsb5f7l6ghh@4ax.com>, on 07/13/2008
at 08:28 AM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:43:49 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net
wrote:
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jSdek.258$jT6.212@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
"spammer" <serebel1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5d83e84e-3a35-430c-833f-074ddcf79287@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
Like the one that JFK & LBJ started that killed over 55,000? Is that the
war you're referring to, Sid0?
Actually Truman and Ike got the US involved there - but yes, that kind of
unnecessary war.
Wrong. The war building began under Ike.
Wrong - the beginning was the propping up of the French by the US and the
sending of advisors to Vietnam.
...And you don't think that was war-building?
What are you talking about - of course it was.
September 1950 - Truman sends the Military Assistance Advisory Group
(MAAG) Indochina to Vietnam to assist the French. The President claimed
they were not sent as combat troops, but to supervise the use of $10
million worth of US military equipment to support the French in their
effort to fight the Viet Minh forces.
So? We did that in many countries. We do it today too. Support is not
starting a war. The war started when Ike started using US forces to
support the French; including us bombers and ships, and allowed the
stopping of the 1956 unification elections called for by the Geneva
accords...
There was already a war going on. Sheesh.
Following the outbreak of the Korean War, Truman announces
"acceleration in the furnishing of military assistance to the forces of
France and the Associated States in Indochina " and sends 123 non-combat
troops to help with supplies to fight against the communist Viet Minh.
1951 - Truman authorizes $150 million in French support.
So? By your reasoning anytime we provide support with money we are
starting a war. That is nonsense and you know it.
There was already a war going on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_and_the_Vietnam_War#Timeline:_Harry_S._Truman_and_the_Vietnam_War_.281945.E2.80.931953.29
So? Support is not a war. We provide military support all over the globe.
The Vietnam war began when Ike sent ships and bombers to support the
French in 1954. And it really kicked off when Ike allowed the 1956
unification elections called for by the Geneva accords...
To claim otherwise is a lie.
Got a reading problem, do you? I said that Truman and Ike got the US
involved in Vietnam. If you wish to contest that statement you are
completely incorrect - or to use your words, it's a lie.
Run along right winger, and don't post again until you pull your head out
the warm, dark place you have it; e.g., the Vietnam war did not involve
American boys, and would not have killed American's if not for Ike.
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Right winger? Strike one. Ike is the main person to blame? Strike two.
There were at least 5 Presidents to blame any one of whom could have
ended American involvement. Truman had nothing to do with the US
involvement in Nam (inferred by your ignorant statements). Strike 3.
Truman was the first to place US soldiers in Nam. And BTW - I'm a huge
fan of Truman but can still recognize his mistakes. Even in light of
the time when the Communists were still seen as as monolithic movement
by the US which, in hindsight, was wrong.
WB Yeats
BTW - your head seems to be so far up your ass that you've got to fart
to smile. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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Once again for the dense right wign asshole:
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Run along right winger, and don't post again until you pull your head out
the warm, dark place you have it; e.g., the Vietnam war did not involve
American boys, and would not have killed American's if not for Ike.
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Learn that fact and stop lying and trying to rewrite the history of how we
got into Vietnam.
In <rpum74hb2rf4tvvgot6id69i8f018qi255@4ax.com>, on 07/14/2008
at 09:23 AM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:30:44 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
In <remm74h6nsqe29gugatcl32bthu4aggi43@4ax.com>, on 07/14/2008
at 06:55 AM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:07:23 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
In <8m4l74l91sbtrluieib31ki36s85c1fjd0@4ax.com>, on 07/13/2008
at 04:44 PM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:22:46 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
In <1l7k74hvtmqhrnbpu82stjrmsb5f7l6ghh@4ax.com>, on 07/13/2008
at 08:28 AM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:43:49 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net
wrote:
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jSdek.258$jT6.212@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
"spammer" <serebel1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5d83e84e-3a35-430c-833f-074ddcf79287@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
Like the one that JFK & LBJ started that killed over 55,000? Is that the
war you're referring to, Sid0?
Actually Truman and Ike got the US involved there - but yes, that kind of
unnecessary war.
Wrong. The war building began under Ike.
Wrong - the beginning was the propping up of the French by the US and the
sending of advisors to Vietnam.
...And you don't think that was war-building?
What are you talking about - of course it was.
September 1950 - Truman sends the Military Assistance Advisory Group
(MAAG) Indochina to Vietnam to assist the French. The President claimed
they were not sent as combat troops, but to supervise the use of $10
million worth of US military equipment to support the French in their
effort to fight the Viet Minh forces.
So? We did that in many countries. We do it today too. Support is not
starting a war. The war started when Ike started using US forces to
support the French; including us bombers and ships, and allowed the
stopping of the 1956 unification elections called for by the Geneva
accords...
There was already a war going on. Sheesh.
Following the outbreak of the Korean War, Truman announces
"acceleration in the furnishing of military assistance to the forces of
France and the Associated States in Indochina " and sends 123 non-combat
troops to help with supplies to fight against the communist Viet Minh.
1951 - Truman authorizes $150 million in French support.
So? By your reasoning anytime we provide support with money we are
starting a war. That is nonsense and you know it.
There was already a war going on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_and_the_Vietnam_War#Timeline:_Harry_S._Truman_and_the_Vietnam_War_.281945.E2.80.931953.29
So? Support is not a war. We provide military support all over the globe.
The Vietnam war began when Ike sent ships and bombers to support the
French in 1954. And it really kicked off when Ike allowed the 1956
unification elections called for by the Geneva accords...
To claim otherwise is a lie.
Got a reading problem, do you? I said that Truman and Ike got the US
involved in Vietnam. If you wish to contest that statement you are
completely incorrect - or to use your words, it's a lie.
Run along right winger, and don't post again until you pull your head out
the warm, dark place you have it; e.g., the Vietnam war did not involve
American boys, and would not have killed American's if not for Ike.
Right winger? Strike one. Ike is the main person to blame? Strike two.
There were at least 5 Presidents to blame any one of whom could have
ended American involvement. Truman had nothing to do with the US
involvement in Nam (inferred by your ignorant statements). Strike 3.
Truman was the first to place US soldiers in Nam. And BTW - I'm a huge
fan of Truman but can still recognize his mistakes. Even in light of the
time when the Communists were still seen as as monolithic movement by the
US which, in hindsight, was wrong.
WB Yeats
BTW - your head seems to be so far up your ass that you've got to fart to
smile. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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Once again for the dense right winger:
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Run along right winger, and don't post again until you pull your head out
the warm, dark place you have it; e.g., the Vietnam war did not involve
American boys, and would not have killed American's if not for Ike.
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Learn that fact and stop lying and trying to rewrite the history of how we
got into Vietnam.
In <rpum74hb2rf4tvvgot6id69i8f018qi255@4ax.com>, on 07/14/2008
at 09:23 AM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:30:44 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
In <remm74h6nsqe29gugatcl32bthu4aggi43@4ax.com>, on 07/14/2008
at 06:55 AM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:07:23 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
In <8m4l74l91sbtrluieib31ki36s85c1fjd0@4ax.com>, on 07/13/2008
at 04:44 PM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:22:46 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
In <1l7k74hvtmqhrnbpu82stjrmsb5f7l6ghh@4ax.com>, on 07/13/2008
at 08:28 AM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:43:49 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net
wrote:
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jSdek.258$jT6.212@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
"spammer" <serebel1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5d83e84e-3a35-430c-833f-074ddcf79287@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
Like the one that JFK & LBJ started that killed over 55,000? Is that the
war you're referring to, Sid0?
Actually Truman and Ike got the US involved there - but yes, that kind of
unnecessary war.
Wrong. The war building began under Ike.
Wrong - the beginning was the propping up of the French by the US and the
sending of advisors to Vietnam.
...And you don't think that was war-building?
What are you talking about - of course it was.
September 1950 - Truman sends the Military Assistance Advisory Group
(MAAG) Indochina to Vietnam to assist the French. The President claimed
they were not sent as combat troops, but to supervise the use of $10
million worth of US military equipment to support the French in their
effort to fight the Viet Minh forces.
So? We did that in many countries. We do it today too. Support is not
starting a war. The war started when Ike started using US forces to
support the French; including us bombers and ships, and allowed the
stopping of the 1956 unification elections called for by the Geneva
accords...
There was already a war going on. Sheesh.
Following the outbreak of the Korean War, Truman announces
"acceleration in the furnishing of military assistance to the forces of
France and the Associated States in Indochina " and sends 123 non-combat
troops to help with supplies to fight against the communist Viet Minh.
1951 - Truman authorizes $150 million in French support.
So? By your reasoning anytime we provide support with money we are
starting a war. That is nonsense and you know it.
There was already a war going on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_and_the_Vietnam_War#Timeline:_Harry_S._Truman_and_the_Vietnam_War_.281945.E2.80.931953.29
So? Support is not a war. We provide military support all over the globe.
The Vietnam war began when Ike sent ships and bombers to support the
French in 1954. And it really kicked off when Ike allowed the 1956
unification elections called for by the Geneva accords...
To claim otherwise is a lie.
Got a reading problem, do you? I said that Truman and Ike got the US
involved in Vietnam. If you wish to contest that statement you are
completely incorrect - or to use your words, it's a lie.
Run along right winger, and don't post again until you pull your head out
the warm, dark place you have it; e.g., the Vietnam war did not involve
American boys, and would not have killed American's if not for Ike.
Right winger? Strike one. Ike is the main person to blame? Strike two.
There were at least 5 Presidents to blame any one of whom could have
ended American involvement. Truman had nothing to do with the US
involvement in Nam (inferred by your ignorant statements). Strike 3.
Truman was the first to place US soldiers in Nam. And BTW - I'm a huge
fan of Truman but can still recognize his mistakes. Even in light of the
time when the Communists were still seen as as monolithic movement by the
US which, in hindsight, was wrong.
WB Yeats
BTW - your head seems to be so far up your ass that you've got to fart to
smile. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:16:01 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
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Once again for the dense right wign asshole:
Run along right winger, and don't post again until you pull your head out
the warm, dark place you have it; e.g., the Vietnam war did not involve
American boys, and would not have killed American's if not for Ike.
Learn that fact and stop lying and trying to rewrite the history of how we
got into Vietnam.
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The history is there. If you wish to question it then tell me that
Truman did not send US advisors and materiel to the French to aid in
their war effort. At that point the US was involved - or are you
ignorant enough to question that? It's the definition of the word
"involved". The idiots on the right and the idiots on the left all
meet up at the same place - the bottom slime.
September 1950 - Truman sends the Military Assistance Advisory Group
(MAAG) Indochina to Vietnam to assist the French. The President
claimed they were not sent as combat troops, but to supervise the use
of $10 million worth of US military equipment to support the French in
their effort to fight the Viet Minh forces.
Following the outbreak of the Korean War, Truman announces
"acceleration in the furnishing of military assistance to the forces
of France and the Associated States in Indochina " and sends 123
non-combat troops to help with supplies to fight against the communist
Viet Minh.
1951 - Truman authorizes $150 million in French support.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_and_the_Vietnam_War#Timeline:_Harry_S._Truman_and_the_Vietnam_War_.281945.E2.80.931953.29
That's the timeline, Bozo. Live with it. It's the way the historians
write the history of Vietnam but you know better. Sure thing.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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Give up your right wing lying here dumbass. There would have been no war
in Vietnam if Ike had allowed the elections of 1956 to be held. There is
nothing that Truman did that would have led to war. We have had military
missions in many nations, and none of them were or are considered as
starting a war.
Now stop the lying. You only prove what a right wing idiot you are with
your lies.
In <fcbn74pvhp8miancij5844k32chkdsmgkm@4ax.com>, on 07/14/2008
at 12:56 PM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:16:01 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
Once again for the dense right wign asshole:
Run along right winger, and don't post again until you pull your head out
the warm, dark place you have it; e.g., the Vietnam war did not involve
American boys, and would not have killed American's if not for Ike.
Learn that fact and stop lying and trying to rewrite the history of how we
got into Vietnam.
The history is there. If you wish to question it then tell me that Truman
did not send US advisors and materiel to the French to aid in their war
effort. At that point the US was involved - or are you ignorant enough to
question that? It's the definition of the word "involved". The idiots on
the right and the idiots on the left all meet up at the same place - the
bottom slime.
September 1950 - Truman sends the Military Assistance Advisory Group
(MAAG) Indochina to Vietnam to assist the French. The President claimed
they were not sent as combat troops, but to supervise the use of $10
million worth of US military equipment to support the French in their
effort to fight the Viet Minh forces.
Following the outbreak of the Korean War, Truman announces
"acceleration in the furnishing of military assistance to the forces of
France and the Associated States in Indochina " and sends 123 non-combat
troops to help with supplies to fight against the communist Viet Minh.
1951 - Truman authorizes $150 million in French support.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_and_the_Vietnam_War#Timeline:_Harry_S._Truman_and_the_Vietnam_War_.281945.E2.80.931953.29
That's the timeline, Bozo. Live with it. It's the way the historians
write the history of Vietnam but you know better. Sure thing.
WB Yeats |
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