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Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
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Sure, in a war. But there is no war. The Bush regime is just kidnapping and
murdering people. For what? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
Like the one that JFK & LBJ started that killed over 55,000? Is that
the war you're referring to, Sid0?
An unnecessary war
caused by a lying
Republican president
for the sole purpose of
repairing his fractured
ego.
Nice tactic!
Change the subject, with
a lie, away from Republican
jr's guilt
Nobody changed the subject, especially with a lie, Sid0, at least not
until you posted. You're the one who tried that. Now go fuck yourself.
You refuse to address
the subject of this war.
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The subject of your initial post was about war dead - period. Let's talk
about the 55,000+ that JFK and LBJ are responsible for first, Sid0, you
dishonest POS.
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You want to address some
other wrongs.
The subject is this unnecessary
war that Republican jr got America
into. A quagmire from which
extrication will be very costly.
A war which is ruining America
militarily, monetarily, and which
has destroyed our reputation and
honor.
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Bert Byfield
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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Nice tactic!
Change the subject, with
a lie, away from Republican
jr's guilt-
What lie? JFK and LBJ got us into Vietnam, so where's the lie?
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Nixon was responsible for much of the war, after saying he had a "secret
peace plan" during an election. After the election, he never mentioned his
"secret peace plan" again, so it stayed secret. I guess his secret plan was
a humiliating defeat for the USA. Some plan. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
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It's called "occupation". Adolf W. Bush invaded Iraq for his oil. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
An unnecessary war
caused by a lying
Republican president
for the sole purpose of
repairing his fractured
ego.
Don't forget the war profiteering. The super secret Cheney oil war |
cabinet at the very beginning of this administration was planning this
thing since day one and the supreme court gave it's blessing. THAT war
and the intentional ignorance that allowed 9-11 as the pretext and the
lies leading to Iraq was neccessary to give fascism its footing on
formerly free soil. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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In <6dt8ffF49fteU1@mid.individual.net>, on 07/12/2008
at 09:43 PM, "Bigredwingsfan" <me@privacy.net> said:
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Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
Like the one that JFK & LBJ started that killed over 55,000? Is that the
war you're referring to, Sid0?
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That was the one started by Ike. You right wingers are afraid to admit
responsibility for your sins and poor thinking, but it does not change the
facts -- which are part of history now.
The current war -- which you are afraid to be in, but want -- is also a
republican war. Even more evil and stupid then the one created by Ike.
Take some time and read the Pentagon Papers. You will find how we got to
Vietnam, and the path was not made by JFK and LBJ.
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An unnecessary war
caused by a lying
Republican president
for the sole purpose of
repairing his fractured
ego.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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In <9f7a56ca-b689-47ab-aef1-c7d65c2ee2d1@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, on
07/12/2008
at 07:51 PM, spammer <serebel1@yahoo.com> said:
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On Jul 12, 10:45 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Nice tactic!
Change the subject, with
a lie, away from Republican
jr's guilt-
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What lie? JFK and LBJ got us into Vietnam, so where's the lie?
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Sorry junior, but it was Ike. And no one else. Its all part of history
now, and your lies here will not change that. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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In <6dta5oF48qqhU1@mid.individual.net>, on 07/12/2008
at 10:12 PM, "Bigredwingsfan" <me@privacy.net> said:
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Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
Like the one that JFK & LBJ started that killed over 55,000? Is that
the war you're referring to, Sid0?
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An unnecessary war
caused by a lying
Republican president
for the sole purpose of
repairing his fractured
ego.
Nice tactic!
Change the subject, with
a lie, away from Republican
jr's guilt
Nobody changed the subject, especially with a lie, Sid0, at least not
until you posted. You're the one who tried that. Now go fuck yourself.
You refuse to address
the subject of this war.
The subject of your initial post was about war dead - period. Let's talk
about the 55,000+ that JFK and LBJ are responsible for first, Sid0, you
dishonest POS.
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You're the dishonest one -- the liar here. The Vietnam war was started
by the actions of Ike.
You right wingers never accept responsibility for your failures. Nor, do
you people ever learn from them.
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You want to address some
other wrongs.
The subject is this unnecessary
war that Republican jr got America
into. A quagmire from which
extrication will be very costly.
A war which is ruining America
militarily, monetarily, and which
has destroyed our reputation and
honor.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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In <Xns9AD9EC68867E4BertByfieldCaravela1@216.196.97.131>, on 07/12/2008
at 10:14 PM, Bert Byfield <BertByfield@nospam.not> said:
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Nice tactic!
Change the subject, with
a lie, away from Republican
jr's guilt-
What lie? JFK and LBJ got us into Vietnam, so where's the lie?
Nixon was responsible for much of the war, after saying he had a "secret
peace plan" during an election. After the election, he never mentioned
his "secret peace plan" again, so it stayed secret. I guess his secret
plan was a humiliating defeat for the USA. Some plan.
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Nixon continued the war for years after it could have been ended with the
same agreement he had in 1975. That agreement was the last one offered by
LBJ before his term ended. And we know now from the papers that Nixon and
Kissinger tried to keep hidden, that Nixon even gave the commies the go
ahead to take all of Sought East Asia if they would just wait for Nixon's
reelection. -- The "decent interval" that people at the time suspected was
made by the nixon cabal.
We have similar and even more evil things going on with the bush cabal.
And all the right wingers have been duped into believing every bit of it. |
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In <1l7k74hvtmqhrnbpu82stjrmsb5f7l6...@4ax.com>, on 07/13/2008
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Unbelievable !!!!! � � People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
Like the one that JFK & LBJ started that killed over 55,000? �Is that the
war you're referring to, Sid0?
Actually Truman and Ike got the US involved there - but yes, that kind of
unnecessary war.
Wrong. �The war building began under Ike. � |
Right... the first Americans into Vietnam with plans to start a war
for oil was Ike. However, politicians, even presidents, do not make
decisions on their own. They are merely surrogates for the real
rulers and decision makers in this country. Vietnam was on the minds
of these plutocrats since the 1920s and the Vietnam war was a
Rockefeller war from the very beginning...even before Ike was
president..LBJ, and Nixon were just following orders. And that damn
fool, Kennedy, actually thought he was the president and began acting
like one until he became an irritation to the real government. Alas,
let's have a parade in Dallas. Bang bang bang....annoyance over...back
to basics.
McCain knows the rules and will follow orders. However, this young
senator from Illinois has not yet been informed about just how far one
can play president and he may find himself in his own parade.... Bang,
Bang, Bang.
Listen up Barack. There are rules just like in playing bridge They
are called, "How to be President and Stay Alive."
PLUTOCRATS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER
By Bob Djurdjevic
A crude hand-painted sign on a run-down building in East Berlin, not
far from the former "Checkpoint Charlie" crossing which once divided
the West and the East, read as follows in July 1995:
"The border runs not between the peoples, but between top and bottom."
The implication? The Wall may be down, but the class differences
remain.
Nowhere is this more pronounced than in the U.S. This is where the
rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the Great American Divide
between the relative "haves" and "have nots" has been growing wider
and deeper in the last 30 years.
SEE Hand painted sign:
http://www.truthinmedia.org/Truthinmedia/Columns/clip4.html
The term "plutocracy" is formally defined as government by the
wealthy, and is also sometimes used to refer to a wealthy class that
controls a government, often from behind the scenes. More generally, a
plutocracy is any form of government in which the wealthy exercise the
preponderance of political power, whether directly or indirectly.
The owners and top-level managers in large income-producing properties
are far and away the dominant power figures in the United States.
Their corporations, banks, and agribusinesses come together as a
corporate community that dominates the federal government in
Washington. Their real estate, construction, and land development
companies form growth coalitions that dominate most local
governments."
These businessmen called the war in Vietnam, " The Vietnam Standard
Oil War!!
http://www.progressiveliving.org/plutocracy_defined.htm
Every war that this country has fought since the Spanish-American war
of 1898 was started by the Rockefellers to destroy our Constitutional
liberties.
The Rockefellers were part of the counter-Reformation Illuminati
Rothschild Jesuits and the American branch of this Satanic bloodline
arrived here in the year 1722.
Their main goal was/is to obtain total monopoly on the world's economy
by controlling the diminishing petroleum reserves and set up a 1000
year Reich for the pope!!
The Spanish-American war was a boon to the Rockefeller owned Chase
Manhattan Bank and the National City Bank known today as Citibank or
Citicorp:
Remember the Maine? Fake terror to get the U.S. into war.
"The inner motivation with respect to this war has not yet ben
brought to light in documentary form. But these facts are certain,
Rockefeller's paid henchmen on the floor of Congress wanted the war;
Hearst and Pulitzer demanded it; Roosevelt and Lodge forced it;
McKinley and Hanna acquiesced in it; and the Rockefeller-Stilman
National City Bank benefited most directly from it, for Cuba; the
Philippines, and, indeed, all of Latin America soon afterward became
dotted with National City branches, and the Cuban sugar industry
gravitated into National City's hands. Moreover, all of Wall Street,
its eyes upon South America's rich mineral resource; wanted the
Isthmian Canal built; and Cuba and Puerto Rico bore a strategic
relation to the control of such a canal. (Lundberg, America's 60
Richest Families, p.62)."
This war opened the door to the White House for Rockefeller stooge
Teddy Roosevelt who subsequently founded the FBI or Federal Bureau of
Inquisition in 1908.
World War I started right after Rockefeller had another stooge named
Woodrow Wilson sign the Federal Reserve Act which created the PRIVATE
Federal Reserve Bank.
The Federal Reserve Bank robbery was made possible by the Rockefeller
inspired Income Tax or 16th Amendment which made the American people
SURETY for the debts of this private bank.
Sir Henri W.A. Deterding Challenges Standard Oil
Before WW I, the British government began to challenge Standard Oil
for world oil supremacy. Rockefeller would not brook any competition
to his monopoly so he sent vast sums to his homeland in Germany. The
Kaiser used this money to arm Germany and keep the war going for 4
years. Here is a brief quote from a fascinating book entitled We Fight
for Oil:
"Lord Fisher not only discovered the method. He found the man. The man
was a Holland clerk. He was rising as an official in the Royal Dutch
Petroleum Company. The Admiral described this gentleman to the British
Government as "Napoleonic in his audacity and Cromwellian in his
thoroughness."
Henri W. A. Deterding was the name of this new Napoleon. He lived up
to Lord Fisher's description. He extended the oil holdings of Royal
Dutch into a dozen countries. He arranged for increased British
capital control of this international trust. He merged the British
Shell oil group with it, making of the two largest European
organizations a united Dutch-Shell combine, the strongest in the
world. He became a British subject. The British Government made him
Sir Henri. And then he began to make British foreign policy.
By 1913, according to Lord Fisher's Memorandum at the time, Sir Henri
was "confessing" to the British Royal Commission on oil that: "He
possesses in Romania, in Russia, in California, in Trinidad, in the
Dutch Indies, and shortly in Mexico, the controlling interest in oil.
The Anglo-Persian Company also says he is getting Mesopotamia and
squeezing Persia, which are practically untouched areas of
immense size reeking with oil. . . . Sir Thomas Browning says in his
evidence that the Royal Dutch-Shell combination is more powerful and
aggressive than ever was the great Standard Oil Trust of America. Let
us therefore listen with deep attention to the words of a man
[Deterding] who has the sole executive control of the most powerful
organization on earth for the production of a source of power which
almost (Denny, We Fight for Oil, p. 25)."
WW I saw the erosion of many of our dearly bought liberties including
the fact that the United States had to PAY for the war.
Rockefeller financed "Cousin" Adolf
When WW I was over the oil wars continued. The British had control of
the Mosul and Iraqi fields and Standard Oil was willing to do ANYTHING
to get them. Sir Henri Deterding was challenging Standard Oil even in
the United States. Rockefeller resorted to his old trick of arming his
homeland once again. Billions flowed to the Hitler regime from
Rockefeller and Wall St.
Also Read BLACK GOLD HOT GOLD Chapter III
The Rise of Fascism in the American Energy Business
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/black_gold_3.htm
The Vietnam Standard Oil War!!
http://www.reformation.org/rockefeller-investigates-bush.html
Let Us Prey the War Prayer
O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our
shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of
their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the
shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their
humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of
their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them
out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the
wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports
of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in
spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave
and denied it.
~Mark Twain, "The War Prayer"
Amen and amen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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On Jul 12, 9:59 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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July 12, 2008
US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 9:37 p.m. ET
As of Saturday, July 12, 2008, at least 4,118 members of the U.S. military
have died in the Iraq war since it began in March 2003, according to an
Associated Press count.
The figure includes eight military civilians killed in action. At least
3,355 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's
numbers.
The AP count is one fewer than the Defense Department's tally, last updated
Friday at 10 a.m. EDT.
The British military has reported 176 deaths; Italy, 33; Ukraine, 18;
Poland, 21; Bulgaria, 13; Spain, 11; Denmark, seven; El Salvador, five;
Slovakia, four; Latvia and Georgia, three each; Estonia, Netherlands,
Thailand, Romania, two each; and Australia, Hungary, Kazakhstan, South
Korea, one death each.
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well, doing some quick math, that means "about" 800 of them have died
as a result of "friendly fire"......
but, with friends like GWBush, who needs enemies, anyway? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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it's not a war, it's a hillbilly ass whipping, and I see them getting their
asses whipped for at least another
2 years, looking forward to it, let the hillbillies show America and the
world what they've got, and
so far it looks like they got big mouths and fat asses which make good
targets while they're running away
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Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
Like the one that JFK & LBJ started that killed over 55,000? Is that the
war you're referring to, Sid0?
does that logic justify this war in that deteriorated brain of yours ? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: Re: US military deaths in Iraq war at 4, 118 |
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The subject of your initial post was about war dead - period. Let's talk
about the 55,000+ that JFK and LBJ are responsible for first, Sid0, you
dishonest POS.
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why talk about them, it's not going to bring them back, trying to use that
to justify
additional unneeded deaths in your hillbilly fuckup ? |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:22:46 GMT, truthteller@nospam.net wrote:
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In <1l7k74hvtmqhrnbpu82stjrmsb5f7l6ghh@4ax.com>, on 07/13/2008
at 08:28 AM, wbyeats@ireland.com said:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:43:49 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net
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Unbelievable !!!!! People killed during a war, did that ever
happen before?
In an unnecessary war.
Like the one that JFK & LBJ started that killed over 55,000? Is that the
war you're referring to, Sid0?
Actually Truman and Ike got the US involved there - but yes, that kind of
unnecessary war.
Wrong. The war building began under Ike.
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Wrong - the beginning was the propping up of the French by the US and
the sending of advisors to Vietnam.
September 1950 - Truman sends the Military Assistance Advisory Group
(MAAG) Indochina to Vietnam to assist the French. The President
claimed they were not sent as combat troops, but to supervise the use
of $10 million worth of US military equipment to support the French in
their effort to fight the Viet Minh forces.
Following the outbreak of the Korean War, Truman announces
"acceleration in the furnishing of military assistance to the forces
of France and the Associated States in Indochina…" and sends 123
non-combat troops to help with supplies to fight against the communist
Viet Minh.
1951 - Truman authorizes $150 million in French support.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_and_the_Vietnam_War#Timeline:_Harry_S._Truman_and_the_Vietnam_War_.281945.E2.80.931953.29
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