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 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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charley wrote:
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On Jun 30, 11:34 pm, David Hartung <d_hart...@comcast.net> wrote:
Nick...@Click.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:45:54 -0500, David Hartung
d_hart...@comcast.net> wrote:
retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
Clark said simply that McCain's peddling of his military time as a
qualification for the office adds nothing to prove he's up to the job.
You seem to be saying that McCain's service does not qualify him for the
Office he is seeking.
It doesn't, Hartung
No more than any private, or low-grade officer could
make that claim
Four years ago, John Kerry made his Vietnam service a major part of his
qualifications.
As qualified to lead
Why was it right for Kerry, and not for McCain?
McCain touts POW status, not military experience.
I see.
Why is this a problem?
Kerry has given more to his country than Kerry ever thought of giving.
Kerry wasn't locked in a prison for 5 years. Once he got his videos
and still pics he was outta there...smart man but clearly is
transparent.
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Please accept my apologies, I meant to say that McCain gave more to this
country than Kerry ever thought of giving. |
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suds macheath
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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Clark is an asshole. If you do some research on him he wasn't well
liked by his peers or subordinates.
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Neithger was McArther...ever heard of professional jealousy?
"General Robert Scales admitted that it was likely Clark's reputation of
intelligence within
the military was responsible for feelings of resentment against him from
other generals."
Clark took two commands with the 1st Armored Division based in Germany
from August 1976 to February 1978,
first over the 3rd Battalion 35th Armor and then the entire 3rd
Brigade.[22]
Clark's brigade commander while in the former position said Clark was
"singularly outstanding, notably superb."
Regarding his term as brigade commander, one of his battalion commanders
called Clark the "most brilliant and gifted officer [he'd] ever known."[26]
He was awarded the Meritorious Service Medal for his work with the division.
His final Officer Evaluation Report for his command at Fort Hood called
him "one of the Army's best and brightest";
In fact they labeled him an
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opportunist more than a soldier.
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----Let's see....1st in class at West Point....Where did McBush place at
Annapolis?
Clark was then given command of A Company, 1st Battalion, 16th
Infantry of the 1st Infantry Division in January 1970.
In February, only one month into his command, he was shot four times by
a Viet Cong soldier with an AK-47.
The wounded Clark shouted orders to his men, who counterattacked and
defeated the Viet Cong force.
Clark had injuries to his right shoulder, right hand, right hip, and
right leg, and was sent to Valley Forge Army Hospital
in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania to recuperate. He was awarded the Silver
Star for his actions during the encounter.
Clark graduated from the Command and General Staff College (CGSC),
earning his military Master of Arts degree in military science from the
CGSC
with a thesis on American policies of gradualism in the Vietnam War.
Clark's theory was one of applying force swiftly,
which was being advocated by many soldiers at the time, a concept that
would eventually become established as U.S. national security policy
in the form of the Weinberger Doctrine and its successor, the Powell
Doctrine. Clark was promoted to major upon his graduation from the CGSC.[24]
----Clark is far and away a better choice than McCain for
president...too bad he's nor running.
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Notable military awards include the Defense Distinguished Service Medal with four oak leaf clusters,
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the Legion of Merit with three oak leaf clusters, the Silver Star, and
the Bronze Star with an oak leaf cluster.
---And McSame's? |
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Docky Wocky
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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That group portrait of Obama and Clark looks suspiciously like a Fearless
Leader and his Vice-president to me. |
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Lamont Cranston
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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Docky Wocky wrote:
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That group portrait of Obama and Clark looks suspiciously like a
Fearless Leader and his Vice-president to me.
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That assessment guarantees that Clark won't be the VP nominee. |
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leonard78sp@gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 11:34 am, "W Spilman" <f...@you.com> wrote:
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"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
news:ibrh64p4qbng64ffll36l0h6cb07upknhu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:21:54 -0500, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered
the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen.
John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it.
McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall.
Clark received a call the following evening from General Hugh Shelton
who said he had been told by Secretary Cohen to deliver a piece of
guidance verbatim. "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more
briefings, period. That's it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Clark, on the other hand, had planned for the Kosovo Force to police
the area. Clark called then-Secretary General of NATO Javier Solana,
and was told "of course you have to get to the airport" and "you have
transfer of authority" in the area. The British commander of the
Kosovo Force, General Mike Jackson, however refused to block the
Russians through military action saying "I'm not going to start the
Third World War for you." Jackson has said he refused to take action
because he did not believe it was worth the risk of a military
confrontation with the Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Question: "Do you regret that that [bombing of Radio Television
Serbia] happened, that you did that?
Clark: No, I don't regret that at all. That was part of the Serb
command and control network. And not only that, I was asked to take
out that television by a lot of important political leaders. And
before I took it out, I twice warned the Serbs we were going to take
it out. We stopped, at one news conference in the Pentagon, we planted
the question to get the attention of the Serbs, that we were going to
target Serb Radio and Television.
Question: But you killed civilians.
Clark: Six people died.
Question: I think sixteen. But I think it's the media-it's the
beauticians, the technicians. It was a civilian target.
Clark: Yeah, they were ordered to stay there by Milosevic. Yeah.
Question: But it was a civilian target.
Clark: It was not a civilian target. It was a military target. It was
part of the Serb command and control network.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/2/gen_wesley_clark_weighs_presiden...
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•• Clark has to justify his fuckups with lies
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That type of executive miltary experience is crucial.
That's why we have a JCS.
Clark was successful. Bush/McCain are failures.
No more to say.
WS
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•• You have NOTHING worth saying.
What you did say is 2 lies
You fascist fools never get it right. |
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leonard78sp@gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 8:17 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You couldn't even think of both your stupid questions
at the same time.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
It's amusing how you feel the need to change the topic. Clark says
something you don't like about McCain. And rather than deal with what
was said, you lie about it, change the topic and smear the messenger.
•• Daniel posed a germane question and you are the |
one who is posting a stupid troll.
Get a brain. ~~ Get a life. |
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charley
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 2, 7:14 pm, "leonard7...@gmail.com" <leonard7...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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On Jun 30, 11:34 am, "W Spilman" <f...@you.com> wrote:
"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
news:ibrh64p4qbng64ffll36l0h6cb07upknhu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:21:54 -0500, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered
the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen.
John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it.
McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall.
Clark received a call the following evening from General Hugh Shelton
who said he had been told by Secretary Cohen to deliver a piece of
guidance verbatim. "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more
briefings, period. That's it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Clark, on the other hand, had planned for the Kosovo Force to police
the area. Clark called then-Secretary General of NATO Javier Solana,
and was told "of course you have to get to the airport" and "you have
transfer of authority" in the area. The British commander of the
Kosovo Force, General Mike Jackson, however refused to block the
Russians through military action saying "I'm not going to start the
Third World War for you." Jackson has said he refused to take action
because he did not believe it was worth the risk of a military
confrontation with the Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Question: "Do you regret that that [bombing of Radio Television
Serbia] happened, that you did that?
Clark: No, I don't regret that at all. That was part of the Serb
command and control network. And not only that, I was asked to take
out that television by a lot of important political leaders. And
before I took it out, I twice warned the Serbs we were going to take
it out. We stopped, at one news conference in the Pentagon, we planted
the question to get the attention of the Serbs, that we were going to
target Serb Radio and Television.
Question: But you killed civilians.
Clark: Six people died.
Question: I think sixteen. But I think it's the media-it's the
beauticians, the technicians. It was a civilian target.
Clark: Yeah, they were ordered to stay there by Milosevic. Yeah.
Question: But it was a civilian target.
Clark: It was not a civilian target. It was a military target. It was
part of the Serb command and control network.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/2/gen_wesley_clark_weighs_presiden....
•• Clark has to justify his fuckups with lies
That type of executive miltary experience is crucial.
That's why we have a JCS.
Clark was successful. Bush/McCain are failures.
No more to say.
WS
•• You have NOTHING worth saying.
What you did say is 2 lies
You fascist fools never get it right.
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I love that moniker it makes me laugh....fascism...you don't even know
what the fuck it means |
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Daniel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 7:35 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:35:32 -0700, Daniel wrote:
On Jun 30, 11:34 am, "W Spilman" <f...@you.com> wrote:
"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
news:ibrh64p4qbng64ffll36l0h6cb07upknhu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:21:54 -0500, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered
the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen.
John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it.
McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall.
Clark received a call the following evening from General Hugh Shelton
who said he had been told by Secretary Cohen to deliver a piece of
guidance verbatim. "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more
briefings, period. That's it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Clark, on the other hand, had planned for the Kosovo Force to police
the area. Clark called then-Secretary General of NATO Javier Solana,
and was told "of course you have to get to the airport" and "you have
transfer of authority" in the area. The British commander of the
Kosovo Force, General Mike Jackson, however refused to block the
Russians through military action saying "I'm not going to start the
Third World War for you." Jackson has said he refused to take action
because he did not believe it was worth the risk of a military
confrontation with the Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Question: "Do you regret that that [bombing of Radio Television
Serbia] happened, that you did that?
Clark: No, I don't regret that at all. That was part of the Serb
command and control network. And not only that, I was asked to take
out that television by a lot of important political leaders. And
before I took it out, I twice warned the Serbs we were going to take
it out. We stopped, at one news conference in the Pentagon, we planted
the question to get the attention of the Serbs, that we were going to
target Serb Radio and Television.
Question: But you killed civilians.
Clark: Six people died.
Question: I think sixteen. But I think it's the media-it's the
beauticians, the technicians. It was a civilian target.
Clark: Yeah, they were ordered to stay there by Milosevic. Yeah.
Question: But it was a civilian target.
Clark: It was not a civilian target. It was a military target. It was
part of the Serb command and control network.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/2/gen_wesley_clark_weighs_presiden....
That type of executive miltary experience is crucial.
That's why we have a JCS.
Clark was successful. Bush/McCain are failures.
No more to say.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
How many troops have been killed in Kosovo? What's it costing us?
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More importantly, if it is a success by libtard standards, why have we
been there longer than we have been in Iraq? And why was GEN Clark
asked to retire? |
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Daniel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 8:16 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:35 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 30, 1:21 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:59:24 -0700, Daniel wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:21 am, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen. John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
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Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it. McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of executive
miltary experience is crucial.
Kindly list the executive military experience or both Barak Obama and
Hillary Clinton.
Why? They do not make such claims.
According to the Democrat lapdog GEN Clark, that type of executive
military experience is CRUCIAL. Now, kindly list Clinton and Obamas
experience.
Actually that's a lie. He said nothing of the sort. Why would you say
he did?
Here's what he ACTUALLY said: " "I certainly honor his service as a
prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and
millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he
has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive
responsibility," said Clark, a former NATO commander who campaigned
for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.
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"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen
what it's like when diplomats come in and say, I don't know whether
we're going to be able to get this point through or not," Clark said.
Schieffer noted that Obama did not have any of those experiences, nor
had he "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."
"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down
is a qualification to be president," Clark said.
You might note none of this says military experience is crucial. What
it says is McCain's emphasis of his service adds nothing to his
qualifications.
Now try to be more honest, 'kay?
Kindly cite Clinton and Obamas executive responsibility.
Why? Are you trying to change the topic?
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I'm not. I want to know exactly what qualifies Obama and Clinton to
the same standard that you libatrds are trying to disqualify McCain.
Now, answer the question. |
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Daniel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 8:17 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You couldn't even think of both your stupid questions
at the same time.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
It's amusing how you feel the need to change the topic. Clark says
something you don't like about McCain. And rather than deal with what
was said, you lie about it, change the topic and smear the messenger.
Let us know if you ever find your self respect and integrity.
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I'm not "smearing" anyone. One of your libtard chums claimed that
Kosovo was a success, and I want to know why we are still there if it
was a "success". Why can't you libtards answer a simple question? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:22:21 -0700 (PDT), "leonard78sp@gmail.com"
<leonard78sp@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You couldn't even think of both your stupid questions
at the same time.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
It's amusing how you feel the need to change the topic. Clark says
something you don't like about McCain. And rather than deal with what
was said, you lie about it, change the topic and smear the messenger.
•• Daniel posed a germane question and you are the
one who is posting a stupid troll.
Get a brain. ~~ Get a life.
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It's not a germane topic. The question on the table was McCain's
qualification to be president. The level of success of Clark is
immaterial, a red herring, and typical smear the messenger BS that you
boys like when cornered.
Query - if Ike was so successful how come we're still in Germany?
If McCarthur was so successful how come we're still in Korea?
If Bush was so successful how come we're still in Iraq?
Do you see the stupidity yet of such questions, particularly when the
topic is McCain?
But since you think it germane perhaps you'll live by your own
standard and answer the questions?
Where do they find you tools? Sheesh. |
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David Johnston
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:20:38 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
<sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down
is a qualification to be president," Clark said.
You might note none of this says military experience is crucial. What
it says is McCain's emphasis of his service adds nothing to his
qualifications.
Now try to be more honest, 'kay?
Kindly cite Clinton and Obamas executive responsibility.
Why? Are you trying to change the topic?
I'm not. I want to know exactly what qualifies Obama and Clinton to
the same standard that you libatrds are trying to disqualify McCain.
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What do you mean by "disqualify McCain"? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:07:35 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net>
wrote:
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:20:38 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down
is a qualification to be president," Clark said.
You might note none of this says military experience is crucial. What
it says is McCain's emphasis of his service adds nothing to his
qualifications.
Now try to be more honest, 'kay?
Kindly cite Clinton and Obamas executive responsibility.
Why? Are you trying to change the topic?
I'm not. I want to know exactly what qualifies Obama and Clinton to
the same standard that you libatrds are trying to disqualify McCain.
What do you mean by "disqualify McCain"?
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He has no idea what he means. The question and rant show incredibly
sloppy non linear "thought" - it's really rank emotional reaction with
no logic. Somebody said something negative about his guy. He's
attacked the speaker, changed the subject and flipped the tables with
some nonexistent "standard" all to avoid dealing with the issue of
whether McCain's service adds qualifications to his candidacy for the
job. Evidently it doesn't because he's working over time to stay away
from that issue. LOL. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:22:00 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
<sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 30, 8:17 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You couldn't even think of both your stupid questions
at the same time.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
It's amusing how you feel the need to change the topic. Clark says
something you don't like about McCain. And rather than deal with what
was said, you lie about it, change the topic and smear the messenger.
Let us know if you ever find your self respect and integrity.
I'm not "smearing" anyone. One of your libtard chums claimed that
Kosovo was a success, and I want to know why we are still there if it
was a "success". Why can't you libtards answer a simple question?
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And I asked you point blank why are we still in Japan, Germany and
Korea? Are they successes or failures? And you have run away from
those questions because they show how foolish your "point" is. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:20:38 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
<sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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You might note none of this says military experience is crucial. What
it says is McCain's emphasis of his service adds nothing to his
qualifications.
Now try to be more honest, 'kay?
Kindly cite Clinton and Obamas executive responsibility.
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Clinton was Attorney General of Arkansas Governor for two years and
Governor for 11. Hint - those are executive experience positions.
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Why? Are you trying to change the topic?
I'm not. I want to know exactly what qualifies Obama and Clinton to
the same standard that you libatrds are trying to disqualify McCain.
Now, answer the question.
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Wow that's some twisted logic. Nobody is disqualifying McCain. They
are saying his getting shot down in Vietnam does not make him any more
qualified to be President. Now Clinton and Obama didn't have that
experience so you're babbling about the same standards just shows how
sloppy your thinking is. Take a few minutes and try to compose the
question in a way that makes sense. Maybe you can do it. |
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