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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
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On Jun 30, 5:35 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 30, 1:21 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:59:24 -0700, Daniel wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:21 am, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen. John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
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Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it. McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of executive
miltary experience is crucial.
Kindly list the executive military experience or both Barak Obama and
Hillary Clinton.
Why? They do not make such claims.
According to the Democrat lapdog GEN Clark, that type of executive
military experience is CRUCIAL. Now, kindly list Clinton and Obamas
experience.
Actually that's a lie. He said nothing of the sort. Why would you say
he did?
Here's what he ACTUALLY said: " "I certainly honor his service as a
prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and
millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he
has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive
responsibility," said Clark, a former NATO commander who campaigned
for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.
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"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen
what it's like when diplomats come in and say, I don't know whether
we're going to be able to get this point through or not," Clark said.
Schieffer noted that Obama did not have any of those experiences, nor
had he "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."
"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down
is a qualification to be president," Clark said.
You might note none of this says military experience is crucial. What
it says is McCain's emphasis of his service adds nothing to his
qualifications.
Now try to be more honest, 'kay?
Kindly cite Clinton and Obamas executive responsibility.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
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You couldn't even think of both your stupid questions
at the same time.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
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It's amusing how you feel the need to change the topic. Clark says
something you don't like about McCain. And rather than deal with what
was said, you lie about it, change the topic and smear the messenger.
Let us know if you ever find your self respect and integrity. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:35:40 -0700, The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net>
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Clark was successful. Bush/McCain are failures.
No more to say.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
How many troops have been killed in Kosovo? What's it costing us?
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LOL. We were talking McCain.
But if you want to change topics should we compare the success to
Kossovo to 100 year sin Iraq? Or maybe the losses involved in each?
Success vs. failure? Planning? Execution? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
<sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 30, 5:35 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 30, 1:21 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:59:24 -0700, Daniel wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:21 am, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen. John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
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Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it. McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of executive
miltary experience is crucial.
Kindly list the executive military experience or both Barak Obama and
Hillary Clinton.
Why? They do not make such claims.
According to the Democrat lapdog GEN Clark, that type of executive
military experience is CRUCIAL. Now, kindly list Clinton and Obamas
experience.
Actually that's a lie. He said nothing of the sort. Why would you say
he did?
Here's what he ACTUALLY said: " "I certainly honor his service as a
prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and
millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he
has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive
responsibility," said Clark, a former NATO commander who campaigned
for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.
Don't Miss
* Obama VP team discusses 20 possible picks
"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen
what it's like when diplomats come in and say, I don't know whether
we're going to be able to get this point through or not," Clark said.
Schieffer noted that Obama did not have any of those experiences, nor
had he "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."
"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down
is a qualification to be president," Clark said.
You might note none of this says military experience is crucial. What
it says is McCain's emphasis of his service adds nothing to his
qualifications.
Now try to be more honest, 'kay?
Kindly cite Clinton and Obamas executive responsibility.
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Lacking backbones, the lefties around here are pretty good at
squirming, aren't they?
--
"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken
line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the
audience here today -- "
- from Obama's 2008 Memorial Day address,
aka the "I See Dead People!" speech.
Update: "I am not going to denounce this church [Trinity],
it is not a church worthy of denouncing."
- A clearly rattled Obama, asked by a reporter if he was
going to criticize comments at his church that finally
forced him to resign from it. This guy is supposed to be
a brilliant orator? See the video at
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-gives-up-trinity-church.html |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:43:11 -0500, David Hartung
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Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it. McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of executive
miltary experience is crucial.
By that Standard, Obama, John Kerry, and Al Gore are not qualified to be
President.
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But they didn't claim that it did. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:21:19 GMT, bw@barrk.net
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Little ... unless you're a general-turned-partisan-pol
like Clark.
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Isn't a politician supposed to be partisan? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:45:54 -0500, David Hartung
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retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
Clark said simply that McCain's peddling of his military time as a
qualification for the office adds nothing to prove he's up to the job.
You seem to be saying that McCain's service does not qualify him for the
Office he is seeking.
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It doesn't, Hartung
No more than any private, or low-grade officer could
make that claim
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Four years ago, John Kerry made his Vietnam service a major part of his
qualifications.
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As qualified to lead
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Why was it right for Kerry, and not for McCain?
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McCain touts POW status, not military experience. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:37:11 -0500, David Hartung
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No the Swiftboaters made it a matter of debate. That and the fact that
Bush went AWOL while Kerry and Gore volunteered to go. But neither
claimed it as experience for the Commander in Chief position.
Is that why he began his acceptance speech eith the statement that he
was "reporting for duty"?
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Are you saying you must be in the military to "report
for duty"? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:45:54 -0500, David Hartung
d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
Clark said simply that McCain's peddling of his military time as a
qualification for the office adds nothing to prove he's up to the job.
You seem to be saying that McCain's service does not qualify him for the
Office he is seeking.
It doesn't, Hartung
No more than any private, or low-grade officer could
make that claim
Four years ago, John Kerry made his Vietnam service a major part of his
qualifications.
As qualified to lead
Why was it right for Kerry, and not for McCain?
McCain touts POW status, not military experience.
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I see.
Why is this a problem?
Kerry has given more to his country than Kerry ever thought of giving. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 7:26 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 30, 5:33 pm, "W Spilman" <f...@you.com> wrote:
"Daniel" <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4ff89976-427d-4d54-828d-69cf58470b4b@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 30, 11:34 am, "W Spilman" <f...@you.com> wrote:
"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
news:ibrh64p4qbng64ffll36l0h6cb07upknhu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:21:54 -0500, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered
the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen.
John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it.
McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall.
Clark received a call the following evening from General Hugh Shelton
who said he had been told by Secretary Cohen to deliver a piece of
guidance verbatim. "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more
briefings, period. That's it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Clark, on the other hand, had planned for the Kosovo Force to police
the area. Clark called then-Secretary General of NATO Javier Solana,
and was told "of course you have to get to the airport" and "you have
transfer of authority" in the area. The British commander of the
Kosovo Force, General Mike Jackson, however refused to block the
Russians through military action saying "I'm not going to start the
Third World War for you." Jackson has said he refused to take action
because he did not believe it was worth the risk of a military
confrontation with the Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Question: "Do you regret that that [bombing of Radio Television
Serbia] happened, that you did that?
Clark: No, I don't regret that at all. That was part of the Serb
command and control network. And not only that, I was asked to take
out that television by a lot of important political leaders. And
before I took it out, I twice warned the Serbs we were going to take
it out. We stopped, at one news conference in the Pentagon, we planted
the question to get the attention of the Serbs, that we were going to
target Serb Radio and Television.
Question: But you killed civilians.
Clark: Six people died.
Question: I think sixteen. But I think it's the media-it's the
beauticians, the technicians. It was a civilian target.
Clark: Yeah, they were ordered to stay there by Milosevic. Yeah.
Question: But it was a civilian target.
Clark: It was not a civilian target. It was a military target. It was
part of the Serb command and control network.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/2/gen_wesley_clark_weighs_presiden....
That type of executive miltary experience is crucial.
That's why we have a JCS.
Clark was successful. Bush/McCain are failures.
No more to say.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
You couldn't even think of both your stupid questions
at the same time.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
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Clark is an asshole. If you do some research on him he wasn't well
liked by his peers or subordinates. In fact they labeled him an
opportunist more than a soldier. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 7:35 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:35:32 -0700, Daniel wrote:
On Jun 30, 11:34 am, "W Spilman" <f...@you.com> wrote:
"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
news:ibrh64p4qbng64ffll36l0h6cb07upknhu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:21:54 -0500, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered
the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen..
John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it.
McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall.
Clark received a call the following evening from General Hugh Shelton
who said he had been told by Secretary Cohen to deliver a piece of
guidance verbatim. "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more
briefings, period. That's it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Clark, on the other hand, had planned for the Kosovo Force to police
the area. Clark called then-Secretary General of NATO Javier Solana,
and was told "of course you have to get to the airport" and "you have
transfer of authority" in the area. The British commander of the
Kosovo Force, General Mike Jackson, however refused to block the
Russians through military action saying "I'm not going to start the
Third World War for you." Jackson has said he refused to take action
because he did not believe it was worth the risk of a military
confrontation with the Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Question: "Do you regret that that [bombing of Radio Television
Serbia] happened, that you did that?
Clark: No, I don't regret that at all. That was part of the Serb
command and control network. And not only that, I was asked to take
out that television by a lot of important political leaders. And
before I took it out, I twice warned the Serbs we were going to take
it out. We stopped, at one news conference in the Pentagon, we planted
the question to get the attention of the Serbs, that we were going to
target Serb Radio and Television.
Question: But you killed civilians.
Clark: Six people died.
Question: I think sixteen. But I think it's the media-it's the
beauticians, the technicians. It was a civilian target.
Clark: Yeah, they were ordered to stay there by Milosevic. Yeah.
Question: But it was a civilian target.
Clark: It was not a civilian target. It was a military target. It was
part of the Serb command and control network.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/2/gen_wesley_clark_weighs_presiden....
That type of executive miltary experience is crucial.
That's why we have a JCS.
Clark was successful. Bush/McCain are failures.
No more to say.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
How many troops have been killed in Kosovo? What's it costing us?
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of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 8:43 pm, bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica
<bushhelpscorporati...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jun 30, 5:37 pm, orio...@earthlink.net wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:35 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 30, 1:21 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:59:24 -0700, Daniel wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:21 am, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen. John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
---
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it. McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of executive
miltary experience is crucial.
Kindly list the executive military experience or both Barak Obama and
Hillary Clinton.
Why? They do not make such claims.
According to the Democrat lapdog GEN Clark, that type of executive
military experience is CRUCIAL. Now, kindly list Clinton and Obamas
experience.
Actually that's a lie. He said nothing of the sort. Why would you say
he did?
Here's what he ACTUALLY said: " "I certainly honor his service as a
prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and
millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he
has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive
responsibility," said Clark, a former NATO commander who campaigned
for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.
Don't Miss
* Obama VP team discusses 20 possible picks
"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen
what it's like when diplomats come in and say, I don't know whether
we're going to be able to get this point through or not," Clark said.
Schieffer noted that Obama did not have any of those experiences, nor
had he "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."
"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down
is a qualification to be president," Clark said.
You might note none of this says military experience is crucial. What
it says is McCain's emphasis of his service adds nothing to his
qualifications.
Now try to be more honest, 'kay?
Kindly cite Clinton and Obamas executive responsibility.
Lacking backbones, the lefties around here are pretty good at
squirming, aren't they?
--
"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken
line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the
audience here today -- "
- from Obama's 2008 Memorial Day address,
aka the "I See Dead People!" speech.
Update: "I am not going to denounce this church [Trinity],
it is not a church worthy of denouncing."
- A clearly rattled Obama, asked by a reporter if he was
going to criticize comments at his church that finally
forced him to resign from it. This guy is supposed to be
a brilliant orator? See the video at
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-gives-up-trinity-chur...Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
and changing the subject like a con oreo boy just did proves that a
con has nothing
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 11:34 pm, David Hartung <d_hart...@comcast.net> wrote:
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Nick...@Click.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:45:54 -0500, David Hartung
d_hart...@comcast.net> wrote:
retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
Clark said simply that McCain's peddling of his military time as a
qualification for the office adds nothing to prove he's up to the job.
You seem to be saying that McCain's service does not qualify him for the
Office he is seeking.
It doesn't, Hartung
No more than any private, or low-grade officer could
make that claim
Four years ago, John Kerry made his Vietnam service a major part of his
qualifications.
As qualified to lead
Why was it right for Kerry, and not for McCain?
McCain touts POW status, not military experience.
I see.
Why is this a problem?
Kerry has given more to his country than Kerry ever thought of giving.
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Kerry wasn't locked in a prison for 5 years. Once he got his videos
and still pics he was outta there...smart man but clearly is
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 1:37 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 30, 1:21 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:59:24 -0700, Daniel wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:21 am, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen.. John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
---
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it. McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of executive
miltary experience is crucial.
Kindly list the executive military experience or both Barak Obama and
Hillary Clinton.
Why? They do not make such claims.
According to the Democrat lapdog GEN Clark, that type of executive
military experience is CRUCIAL.
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Really? he said that? Where's the quote?
hint: you lied. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 8:34 pm, David Hartung <d_hart...@comcast.net> wrote:
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Kerry has given more to his country than Kerry ever thought of giving.
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??? hint: davey, take a nap. |
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