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Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it.
McCain was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of
executive miltary experience is crucial.
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Yes, indeed.
It certainly served President Clinton well during his two terms. And
it would have absolutely made Gore an excellent president as well.
Crucial.
Right?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jun 30, 5:37 pm, orio...@earthlink.net wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:35 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 30, 1:21 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:59:24 -0700, Daniel wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:21 am, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen. John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
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Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it. McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of executive
miltary experience is crucial.
Kindly list the executive military experience or both Barak Obama and
Hillary Clinton.
Why? They do not make such claims.
According to the Democrat lapdog GEN Clark, that type of executive
military experience is CRUCIAL. Now, kindly list Clinton and Obamas
experience.
Actually that's a lie. He said nothing of the sort. Why would you say
he did?
Here's what he ACTUALLY said: " "I certainly honor his service as a
prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and
millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he
has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive
responsibility," said Clark, a former NATO commander who campaigned
for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.
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"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen
what it's like when diplomats come in and say, I don't know whether
we're going to be able to get this point through or not," Clark said.
Schieffer noted that Obama did not have any of those experiences, nor
had he "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."
"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down
is a qualification to be president," Clark said.
You might note none of this says military experience is crucial. What
it says is McCain's emphasis of his service adds nothing to his
qualifications.
Now try to be more honest, 'kay?
Kindly cite Clinton and Obamas executive responsibility.
Lacking backbones, the lefties around here are pretty good at
squirming, aren't they?
--
"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken
line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the
audience here today -- "
- from Obama's 2008 Memorial Day address,
aka the "I See Dead People!" speech.
Update: "I am not going to denounce this church [Trinity],
it is not a church worthy of denouncing."
- A clearly rattled Obama, asked by a reporter if he was
going to criticize comments at his church that finally
forced him to resign from it. This guy is supposed to be
a brilliant orator? See the video at
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-gives-up-trinity-chur...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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and changing the subject like a con oreo boy just did proves that a
con has nothing |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:03:31 GMT, bw@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
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ANY military experience is a plus for future C&Cs - and
puttin' your butt in harms way for the Red, White & Blue
is a definite indicator of 'character'.
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Damn straight! I mean look at Timothy McVeigh!
It's immaterial. FDR had no military time. Nixon did. What's the
point? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:43 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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baxter wrote:
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen. John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
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Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it. McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of executive
miltary experience is crucial.
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By that Standard, Obama, John Kerry, and Al Gore are not qualified to be
President. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:10:53 -0700, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:03:31 GMT, bw@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
ANY military experience is a plus for future C&Cs - and
puttin' your butt in harms way for the Red, White & Blue
is a definite indicator of 'character'.
Damn straight! I mean look at Timothy McVeigh!
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Really, he THOUGHT he was being an all-American patriot,
doing the right thing. Alas he was a nutter, so he got
the 'right thing' bit slightly wrong ....
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It's immaterial. FDR had no military time. Nixon did. What's the
point?
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Little ... unless you're a general-turned-partisan-pol
like Clark. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 30, 11:34 am, "W Spilman" <f...@you.com> wrote:
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"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:21:54 -0500, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered
the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen.
John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it.
McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall.
Clark received a call the following evening from General Hugh Shelton
who said he had been told by Secretary Cohen to deliver a piece of
guidance verbatim. "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more
briefings, period. That's it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Clark, on the other hand, had planned for the Kosovo Force to police
the area. Clark called then-Secretary General of NATO Javier Solana,
and was told "of course you have to get to the airport" and "you have
transfer of authority" in the area. The British commander of the
Kosovo Force, General Mike Jackson, however refused to block the
Russians through military action saying "I'm not going to start the
Third World War for you." Jackson has said he refused to take action
because he did not believe it was worth the risk of a military
confrontation with the Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Question: "Do you regret that that [bombing of Radio Television
Serbia] happened, that you did that?
Clark: No, I don't regret that at all. That was part of the Serb
command and control network. And not only that, I was asked to take
out that television by a lot of important political leaders. And
before I took it out, I twice warned the Serbs we were going to take
it out. We stopped, at one news conference in the Pentagon, we planted
the question to get the attention of the Serbs, that we were going to
target Serb Radio and Television.
Question: But you killed civilians.
Clark: Six people died.
Question: I think sixteen. But I think it's the media-it's the
beauticians, the technicians. It was a civilian target.
Clark: Yeah, they were ordered to stay there by Milosevic. Yeah.
Question: But it was a civilian target.
Clark: It was not a civilian target. It was a military target. It was
part of the Serb command and control network.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/2/gen_wesley_clark_weighs_presiden...
That type of executive miltary experience is crucial.
That's why we have a JCS.
Clark was successful. Bush/McCain are failures.
No more to say.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
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You couldn't even think of both your stupid questions
at the same time.
WS |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
<sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 30, 1:21 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:59:24 -0700, Daniel wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:21 am, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen. John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
---
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it. McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of executive
miltary experience is crucial.
Kindly list the executive military experience or both Barak Obama and
Hillary Clinton.
Why? They do not make such claims.
According to the Democrat lapdog GEN Clark, that type of executive
military experience is CRUCIAL. Now, kindly list Clinton and Obamas
experience.
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Actually that's a lie. He said nothing of the sort. Why would you say
he did?
Here's what he ACTUALLY said: " "I certainly honor his service as a
prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and
millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he
has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive
responsibility," said Clark, a former NATO commander who campaigned
for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.
Don't Miss
* Obama VP team discusses 20 possible picks
"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen
what it's like when diplomats come in and say, I don't know whether
we're going to be able to get this point through or not," Clark said.
Schieffer noted that Obama did not have any of those experiences, nor
had he "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."
"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down
is a qualification to be president," Clark said.
You might note none of this says military experience is crucial. What
it says is McCain's emphasis of his service adds nothing to his
qualifications.
Now try to be more honest, 'kay? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:21:19 GMT, bw@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:10:53 -0700, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:03:31 GMT, bw@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
ANY military experience is a plus for future C&Cs - and
puttin' your butt in harms way for the Red, White & Blue
is a definite indicator of 'character'.
Damn straight! I mean look at Timothy McVeigh!
Really, he THOUGHT he was being an all-American patriot,
doing the right thing. Alas he was a nutter, so he got
the 'right thing' bit slightly wrong ....
It's immaterial. FDR had no military time. Nixon did. What's the
point?
Little ... unless you're a general-turned-partisan-pol
like Clark.
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Clark said simply that McCain's peddling of his military time as a
qualification for the office adds nothing to prove he's up to the job.
The right has tried desperately to spin it to other things. But that's
dishonest. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
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Clark said simply that McCain's peddling of his military time as a
qualification for the office adds nothing to prove he's up to the job.
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You seem to be saying that McCain's service does not qualify him for the
Office he is seeking.
Four years ago, John Kerry made his Vietnam service a major part of his
qualifications.
Why was it right for Kerry, and not for McCain? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:37:42 -0700, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:21:19 GMT, bw@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:10:53 -0700, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:03:31 GMT, bw@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
ANY military experience is a plus for future C&Cs - and
puttin' your butt in harms way for the Red, White & Blue
is a definite indicator of 'character'.
Damn straight! I mean look at Timothy McVeigh!
Really, he THOUGHT he was being an all-American patriot,
doing the right thing. Alas he was a nutter, so he got
the 'right thing' bit slightly wrong ....
It's immaterial. FDR had no military time. Nixon did. What's the
point?
Little ... unless you're a general-turned-partisan-pol
like Clark.
Clark said simply that McCain's peddling of his military time as a
qualification for the office adds nothing to prove he's up to the job.
The right has tried desperately to spin it to other things. But that's
dishonest.
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In fact Clark added his own Vietnam time did not add to such
qualifications for himself:
"Everybody admires John McCain's service as a fighter pilot, his
courage as a prisoner of war. There's no issue there. He's a great man
and an honorable man. But having served as a fighter pilot _ and I
know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam _ that doesn't
prepare you to be commander in chief in terms of dealing with the
national strategic issues that are involved. It may give you a feeling
for what the troops are going through in the process, but it doesn't
give you the experience first hand of the national strategic issues."" |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:45:54 -0500, David Hartung
<d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
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retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
Clark said simply that McCain's peddling of his military time as a
qualification for the office adds nothing to prove he's up to the job.
You seem to be saying that McCain's service does not qualify him for the
Office he is seeking.
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I was clear i - it adds nothing to his qualifications.
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Four years ago, John Kerry made his Vietnam service a major part of his
qualifications.
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No the Swiftboaters made it a matter of debate. That and the fact that
Bush went AWOL while Kerry and Gore volunteered to go. But neither
claimed it as experience for the Commander in Chief position.
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Why was it right for Kerry, and not for McCain?
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Why do you feel a need to distort and lie about this issue from both
sides?
Show where Kerry said it qualified him to be commander in chief.
Then show where Clark said it was an essential characteristic for the
job.
we'll wait - for the crickets to arrive. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:34:56 -0400, "W Spilman" <f@you.com> wrote:
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"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.Com> wrote in message
news:ibrh64p4qbng64ffll36l0h6cb07upknhu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:21:54 -0500, "baxter" <1@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered
the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen.
John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it.
McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall.
Clark received a call the following evening from General Hugh Shelton
who said he had been told by Secretary Cohen to deliver a piece of
guidance verbatim. "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more
briefings, period. That's it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Clark, on the other hand, had planned for the Kosovo Force to police
the area. Clark called then-Secretary General of NATO Javier Solana,
and was told "of course you have to get to the airport" and "you have
transfer of authority" in the area. The British commander of the
Kosovo Force, General Mike Jackson, however refused to block the
Russians through military action saying "I'm not going to start the
Third World War for you." Jackson has said he refused to take action
because he did not believe it was worth the risk of a military
confrontation with the Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Question: "Do you regret that that [bombing of Radio Television
Serbia] happened, that you did that?
Clark: No, I don't regret that at all. That was part of the Serb
command and control network. And not only that, I was asked to take
out that television by a lot of important political leaders. And
before I took it out, I twice warned the Serbs we were going to take
it out. We stopped, at one news conference in the Pentagon, we planted
the question to get the attention of the Serbs, that we were going to
target Serb Radio and Television.
Question: But you killed civilians.
Clark: Six people died.
Question: I think sixteen. But I think it's the media-it's the
beauticians, the technicians. It was a civilian target.
Clark: Yeah, they were ordered to stay there by Milosevic. Yeah.
Question: But it was a civilian target.
Clark: It was not a civilian target. It was a military target. It was
part of the Serb command and control network.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/2/gen_wesley_clark_weighs_presidential_bid
That type of executive miltary experience is crucial.
That's why we have a JCS.
Clark was successful.
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Clark was successful at murdering Christians to protect Muslims.
Clark was successful at intentionally targeting and murdering
civilians.
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Bush/McCain are failures.
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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"Greg Brown" <gregvbrown@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.vetsforfreedom.com/multimedia/details.aspx?id=282
This is a great video of a veteran who served in Iraq for 16 months as
a combat medic!
There is a trojan in that video!
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Liar.
The online video works perfectly.
Liar.
The downloaded version works perfectly. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:45:54 -0500, David Hartung
d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote:
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
Clark said simply that McCain's peddling of his military time as a
qualification for the office adds nothing to prove he's up to the job.
You seem to be saying that McCain's service does not qualify him for the
Office he is seeking.
I was clear i - it adds nothing to his qualifications.
Four years ago, John Kerry made his Vietnam service a major part of his
qualifications.
No the Swiftboaters made it a matter of debate. That and the fact that
Bush went AWOL while Kerry and Gore volunteered to go. But neither
claimed it as experience for the Commander in Chief position.
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Is that why he began his acceptance speech eith the statement that he
was "reporting for duty"? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:35:04 -0700, retrogrouch wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 30, 1:21 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:59:24 -0700, Daniel wrote:
On Jun 30, 5:21 am, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen. John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
---
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it. McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall. That type of executive
miltary experience is crucial.
Kindly list the executive military experience or both Barak Obama and
Hillary Clinton.
Why? They do not make such claims.
According to the Democrat lapdog GEN Clark, that type of executive
military experience is CRUCIAL. Now, kindly list Clinton and Obamas
experience.
Actually that's a lie. He said nothing of the sort. Why would you say
he did?
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Because Republicans are liars. That is what they do.
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Here's what he ACTUALLY said: " "I certainly honor his service as a
prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and
millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he
has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive
responsibility," said Clark, a former NATO commander who campaigned
for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.
Don't Miss
* Obama VP team discusses 20 possible picks
"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen
what it's like when diplomats come in and say, I don't know whether
we're going to be able to get this point through or not," Clark said.
Schieffer noted that Obama did not have any of those experiences, nor
had he "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."
"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down
is a qualification to be president," Clark said.
You might note none of this says military experience is crucial. What
it says is McCain's emphasis of his service adds nothing to his
qualifications.
Now try to be more honest, 'kay?
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You can forget it. This and the total lie about drilling for oil are
about all they have. Most of the things they supported and cheered are
turning to crap in front of their eyes and they are all in deep, deep
denial.
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of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:35:32 -0700, Daniel wrote:
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On Jun 30, 11:34 am, "W Spilman" <f...@you.com> wrote:
"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
news:ibrh64p4qbng64ffll36l0h6cb07upknhu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:21:54 -0500, "baxter" <1...@net.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/?iref=mpstoryview
Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
a.. Story Highlights
b.. Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark questions John McCain's executive
experience
c.. In "Face the Nation" interview, Clark says McCain hasn't "ordered
the
bombs to fall"
d.. McCain campaign calls for Barack Obama to condemn the comments
(CNN) -- Retired U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Barack Obama, on Sunday questioned whether Sen.
John
McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander-in-chief.
Clark makes an excellent point and I'm glad someone finally said it.
McCain
was never the one ordering the bombs to fall.
Clark received a call the following evening from General Hugh Shelton
who said he had been told by Secretary Cohen to deliver a piece of
guidance verbatim. "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more
briefings, period. That's it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Clark, on the other hand, had planned for the Kosovo Force to police
the area. Clark called then-Secretary General of NATO Javier Solana,
and was told "of course you have to get to the airport" and "you have
transfer of authority" in the area. The British commander of the
Kosovo Force, General Mike Jackson, however refused to block the
Russians through military action saying "I'm not going to start the
Third World War for you." Jackson has said he refused to take action
because he did not believe it was worth the risk of a military
confrontation with the Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Question: "Do you regret that that [bombing of Radio Television
Serbia] happened, that you did that?
Clark: No, I don't regret that at all. That was part of the Serb
command and control network. And not only that, I was asked to take
out that television by a lot of important political leaders. And
before I took it out, I twice warned the Serbs we were going to take
it out. We stopped, at one news conference in the Pentagon, we planted
the question to get the attention of the Serbs, that we were going to
target Serb Radio and Television.
Question: But you killed civilians.
Clark: Six people died.
Question: I think sixteen. But I think it's the media-it's the
beauticians, the technicians. It was a civilian target.
Clark: Yeah, they were ordered to stay there by Milosevic. Yeah.
Question: But it was a civilian target.
Clark: It was not a civilian target. It was a military target. It was
part of the Serb command and control network.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/2/gen_wesley_clark_weighs_presiden...
That type of executive miltary experience is crucial.
That's why we have a JCS.
Clark was successful. Bush/McCain are failures.
No more to say.
WS
If Clark was so successful, why are we still in Kosovo?
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How many troops have been killed in Kosovo? What's it costing us?
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of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
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