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 Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 10, 1:51 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 10, 3:04 am, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
Actually, the FACT is that he did earn them. fact. Not your silly
made up fiction, but plain old legal everyday fact. Why do you
lie, danny? never mind, it's clear why you lie.
Actually, the facts show he did NOT earn his third Purple Heart. These
facts were hashed out 4 years ago, where have you been?
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You're an idiot. Facts are facts. Assertions by random poeple don't
change the facts. There's nothing to "hash out". Either the DOD
issued
the purple hearts or it didn't. 4 years ago the paperwork was on the
johnkerry
web site. It isn't there any more. I'm sure it could be tracked down. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 10, 1:51 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 10, 3:04 am, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
Actually, the FACT is that he did earn them. fact. Not your silly
made up fiction, but plain old legal everyday fact. Why do you
lie, danny? never mind, it's clear why you lie.
Actually, the facts show he did NOT earn his third Purple Heart. These
facts were hashed out 4 years ago, where have you been?
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In the real world, not your silly little fantasy world. Let me guess,
you're opposed to public schools and think al-queda was linked with
Saddam's regime. hint: you're being used. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 9, 9:17 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
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On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 2:27 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 6, 10:47 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Please get back to us when you actually have a point.
Who is this "us" to which you refer? Certainly not the rational
patriots. You do a disservice to the military by your actions
and words. You would have us believe the military hands how
silver stars and purple hearts without investigation. You tarnish
them by your words.
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
The DOD said he did. Are you calling the DOD a liar?
You smear yourself by asserting you are military but
that the military leadership is a bunch of liars.
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Kindly provide evidence to support your allegation that the approval
authority for the Purple Heart is the DOD. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 10, 10:48 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
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On Jul 10, 1:51 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 3:04 am, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
Actually, the FACT is that he did earn them. fact. Not your silly
made up fiction, but plain old legal everyday fact. Why do you
lie, danny? never mind, it's clear why you lie.
Actually, the facts show he did NOT earn his third Purple Heart. These
facts were hashed out 4 years ago, where have you been?
You're an idiot. Facts are facts. Assertions by random poeple don't
change the facts. There's nothing to "hash out". Either the DOD
issued
the purple hearts or it didn't.
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Well that's easy, the DOD didn't. The DOD is not the approving
authority for the Purple Heart. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 5:18 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 10, 10:48 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 10, 1:51 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 3:04 am, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
Actually, the FACT is that he did earn them. fact. Not your silly
made up fiction, but plain old legal everyday fact. Why do you
lie, danny? never mind, it's clear why you lie.
Actually, the facts show he did NOT earn his third Purple Heart. These
facts were hashed out 4 years ago, where have you been?
You're an idiot. Facts are facts. Assertions by random poeple don't
change the facts. There's nothing to "hash out". Either the DOD
issued
the purple hearts or it didn't.
Well that's easy, the DOD didn't. The DOD is not the approving
authority for the Purple Heart.
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Here's a link to the order allowing for the purple heart at the time
Kerry was awarded his:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11016
I'll have to look further for more details from official sources.
Here's a personal website that appears knowledgeable.
Please review it and tell me of any disagreement and a link
to an official website that contradicts the information.
http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/theheart.htm
A serviceperson can author his/her own After Action report that
can be used solely
as a basis for awarding a PH or other medal.
Not true. A written or oral After Action report must either be
personally authored
OR personally verified/approved by the senior military person on
the scene at
the time of the incident. If the recipient was the most senior
ranking person
on the scene the awarding officer must ascertain confirmation from
all other
personnel (regardless of their rank) on the scene at the time of
occurrence.
and later:
Anyone can possess a PH medal or PH certificate.
True. However, it is a punishable federal offense to possess any
military medal
or medal certificate that you fraudulently claim you are the
official recipient of.
Anyone who falsely misrepresents or claims they are the legal
recipient of a
United States or foreign military medal or certificate is subject
to severe
prosecution and penalty. Family members and collectors may legally
possess
military medals and certificates authorized or awarded to legal
recipients. The
Federal Bureau of Investigation is authorized by Congress to
investigate any
case of military medal misrepresentation. The United States
Attorneys Office
under the United States Justice Department is authorized by
Congress to
prosecute cases of military medal defalcation to the fullest
extent of current law.
Now if Kerry didn't earn his medals why is he still a Senator and
still openly
asserting he earned them? |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 5:16 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 9, 9:17 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 2:27 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 6, 10:47 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Please get back to us when you actually have a point.
Who is this "us" to which you refer? Certainly not the rational
patriots. You do a disservice to the military by your actions
and words. You would have us believe the military hands how
silver stars and purple hearts without investigation. You tarnish
them by your words.
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
The DOD said he did. Are you calling the DOD a liar?
You smear yourself by asserting you are military but
that the military leadership is a bunch of liars.
Kindly provide evidence to support your allegation that the approval
authority for the Purple Heart is the DOD.
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OK, a minor error. The approving authority is the Secretary of the
approving military department, so in this case the Secretary of the
Navy.
By the way, wikipedia is one's friend. From there I found this link
to
the Kerry military records:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040606071703/www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 10:34 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
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On Jul 12, 5:18 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 10:48 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 10, 1:51 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 3:04 am, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
Actually, the FACT is that he did earn them. fact. Not your silly
made up fiction, but plain old legal everyday fact. Why do you
lie, danny? never mind, it's clear why you lie.
Actually, the facts show he did NOT earn his third Purple Heart. These
facts were hashed out 4 years ago, where have you been?
You're an idiot. Facts are facts. Assertions by random poeple don't
change the facts. There's nothing to "hash out". Either the DOD
issued
the purple hearts or it didn't.
Well that's easy, the DOD didn't. The DOD is not the approving
authority for the Purple Heart.
Here's a link to the order allowing for the purple heart at the time
Kerry was awarded his:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11016
I'll have to look further for more details from official sources.
Here's a personal website that appears knowledgeable.
Please review it and tell me of any disagreement and a link
to an official website that contradicts the information.
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The "link" has NOTHING to do with Kerrys Purple Heart, and is NOT an
official link.
| Quote: |
http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/theheart.htm
A serviceperson can author his/her own After Action report that
can be used solely
as a basis for awarding a PH or other medal.
Not true. A written or oral After Action report must either be
personally authored
OR personally verified/approved by the senior military person on
the scene at
the time of the incident. If the recipient was the most senior
ranking person
on the scene the awarding officer must ascertain confirmation from
all other
personnel (regardless of their rank) on the scene at the time of
occurrence.
and later:
Anyone can possess a PH medal or PH certificate.
True. However, it is a punishable federal offense to possess any
military medal
or medal certificate that you fraudulently claim you are the
official recipient of.
Anyone who falsely misrepresents or claims they are the legal
recipient of a
United States or foreign military medal or certificate is subject
to severe
prosecution and penalty. Family members and collectors may legally
possess
military medals and certificates authorized or awarded to legal
recipients. The
Federal Bureau of Investigation is authorized by Congress to
investigate any
case of military medal misrepresentation. The United States
Attorneys Office
under the United States Justice Department is authorized by
Congress to
prosecute cases of military medal defalcation to the fullest
extent of current law.
Now if Kerry didn't earn his medals why is he still a Senator and
still openly
asserting he earned them?
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Because he is a typical lying libtard. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 10:57 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
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On Jul 12, 5:16 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 9:17 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 2:27 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 6, 10:47 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Please get back to us when you actually have a point.
Who is this "us" to which you refer? Certainly not the rational
patriots. You do a disservice to the military by your actions
and words. You would have us believe the military hands how
silver stars and purple hearts without investigation. You tarnish
them by your words.
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
The DOD said he did. Are you calling the DOD a liar?
You smear yourself by asserting you are military but
that the military leadership is a bunch of liars.
Kindly provide evidence to support your allegation that the approval
authority for the Purple Heart is the DOD.
OK, a minor error. The approving authority is the Secretary of the
approving military department, so in this case the Secretary of the
Navy.
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No, it is NOT. Try again. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 12:11 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 12, 10:57 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:16 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 9:17 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 2:27 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 6, 10:47 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Please get back to us when you actually have a point.
Who is this "us" to which you refer? Certainly not the rational
patriots. You do a disservice to the military by your actions
and words. You would have us believe the military hands how
silver stars and purple hearts without investigation. You tarnish
them by your words.
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
The DOD said he did. Are you calling the DOD a liar?
You smear yourself by asserting you are military but
that the military leadership is a bunch of liars.
Kindly provide evidence to support your allegation that the approval
authority for the Purple Heart is the DOD.
OK, a minor error. The approving authority is the Secretary of the
approving military department, so in this case the Secretary of the
Navy.
No, it is NOT. Try again
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I gave you the link to the executive order saying so. You show me the
link to otherwise. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 12:04 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: |
On Jul 12, 10:34 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:18 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 10:48 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 10, 1:51 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 3:04 am, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
Actually, the FACT is that he did earn them. fact. Not your silly
made up fiction, but plain old legal everyday fact. Why do you
lie, danny? never mind, it's clear why you lie.
Actually, the facts show he did NOT earn his third Purple Heart. These
facts were hashed out 4 years ago, where have you been?
You're an idiot. Facts are facts. Assertions by random poeple don't
change the facts. There's nothing to "hash out". Either the DOD
issued
the purple hearts or it didn't.
Well that's easy, the DOD didn't. The DOD is not the approving
authority for the Purple Heart.
Here's a link to the order allowing for the purple heart at the time
Kerry was awarded his:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11016
I'll have to look further for more details from official sources.
Here's a personal website that appears knowledgeable.
Please review it and tell me of any disagreement and a link
to an official website that contradicts the information.
The "link" has NOTHING to do with Kerrys Purple Heart, and is NOT an
official link.
http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/theheart.htm
A serviceperson can author his/her own After Action report that
can be used solely
as a basis for awarding a PH or other medal.
Not true. A written or oral After Action report must either be
personally authored
OR personally verified/approved by the senior military person on
the scene at
the time of the incident. If the recipient was the most senior
ranking person
on the scene the awarding officer must ascertain confirmation from
all other
personnel (regardless of their rank) on the scene at the time of
occurrence.
and later:
Anyone can possess a PH medal or PH certificate.
True. However, it is a punishable federal offense to possess any
military medal
or medal certificate that you fraudulently claim you are the
official recipient of.
Anyone who falsely misrepresents or claims they are the legal
recipient of a
United States or foreign military medal or certificate is subject
to severe
prosecution and penalty. Family members and collectors may legally
possess
military medals and certificates authorized or awarded to legal
recipients. The
Federal Bureau of Investigation is authorized by Congress to
investigate any
case of military medal misrepresentation. The United States
Attorneys Office
under the United States Justice Department is authorized by
Congress to
prosecute cases of military medal defalcation to the fullest
extent of current law.
Now if Kerry didn't earn his medals why is he still a Senator and
still openly
asserting he earned them?
Because he is a typical lying libtard.
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You've made nothing but assertions and yet see fit to question
the link's I've shown you. You do some work and show me the
"official" web sites. You are a lazy liar or exceptionally stupid.
Do some of the work. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 6:22 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
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I gave you the link to the executive order saying so. You show me the
link to otherwise.
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hint: danny has no evidence to back up is traitorous lies. He just
hates the military and everything America stands for. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 6:24 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
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You've made nothing but assertions and yet see fit to question
the link's I've shown you. You do some work and show me the
"official" web sites. You are a lazy liar or exceptionally stupid.
Do some of the work.
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Danny is anti-american lying, retard. Hope this helps. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 9:22 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
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On Jul 12, 12:11 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 10:57 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:16 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 9:17 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 2:27 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 6, 10:47 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Please get back to us when you actually have a point.
Who is this "us" to which you refer? Certainly not the rational
patriots. You do a disservice to the military by your actions
and words. You would have us believe the military hands how
silver stars and purple hearts without investigation. You tarnish
them by your words.
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
The DOD said he did. Are you calling the DOD a liar?
You smear yourself by asserting you are military but
that the military leadership is a bunch of liars.
Kindly provide evidence to support your allegation that the approval
authority for the Purple Heart is the DOD.
OK, a minor error. The approving authority is the Secretary of the
approving military department, so in this case the Secretary of the
Navy.
No, it is NOT. Try again
I gave you the link to the executive order saying so. You show me the
link to otherwise.
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The only "link" anyone had provided so far isn't a credible one. An
actual DOD link will suffice. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 9:24 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
| Quote: |
On Jul 12, 12:04 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 10:34 am, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:18 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 10:48 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
On Jul 10, 1:51 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 3:04 am, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 10:59 am, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The fact remains that Kerry did not earn his Purple Hearts, no matter
how you try to smear me with your weak ass bullshit.
Actually, the FACT is that he did earn them. fact. Not your silly
made up fiction, but plain old legal everyday fact. Why do you
lie, danny? never mind, it's clear why you lie.
Actually, the facts show he did NOT earn his third Purple Heart.. These
facts were hashed out 4 years ago, where have you been?
You're an idiot. Facts are facts. Assertions by random poeple don't
change the facts. There's nothing to "hash out". Either the DOD
issued
the purple hearts or it didn't.
Well that's easy, the DOD didn't. The DOD is not the approving
authority for the Purple Heart.
Here's a link to the order allowing for the purple heart at the time
Kerry was awarded his:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11016
I'll have to look further for more details from official sources.
Here's a personal website that appears knowledgeable.
Please review it and tell me of any disagreement and a link
to an official website that contradicts the information.
The "link" has NOTHING to do with Kerrys Purple Heart, and is NOT an
official link.
http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/theheart.htm
A serviceperson can author his/her own After Action report that
can be used solely
as a basis for awarding a PH or other medal.
Not true. A written or oral After Action report must either be
personally authored
OR personally verified/approved by the senior military person on
the scene at
the time of the incident. If the recipient was the most senior
ranking person
on the scene the awarding officer must ascertain confirmation from
all other
personnel (regardless of their rank) on the scene at the time of
occurrence.
and later:
Anyone can possess a PH medal or PH certificate.
True. However, it is a punishable federal offense to possess any
military medal
or medal certificate that you fraudulently claim you are the
official recipient of.
Anyone who falsely misrepresents or claims they are the legal
recipient of a
United States or foreign military medal or certificate is subject
to severe
prosecution and penalty. Family members and collectors may legally
possess
military medals and certificates authorized or awarded to legal
recipients. The
Federal Bureau of Investigation is authorized by Congress to
investigate any
case of military medal misrepresentation. The United States
Attorneys Office
under the United States Justice Department is authorized by
Congress to
prosecute cases of military medal defalcation to the fullest
extent of current law.
Now if Kerry didn't earn his medals why is he still a Senator and
still openly
asserting he earned them?
Because he is a typical lying libtard.
You've made nothing but assertions and yet see fit to question
the link's I've shown you. You do some work and show me the
"official" web sites. You are a lazy liar or exceptionally stupid.
Do some of the work.
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I'm not the one making the claim that Kerrys medals were awarded
according to regulation. Therefore, it is on YOU to back up your
assertion, and so far, you have failed. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Clark: Getting 'shot down in plane' doesn't make McCain |
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On Jul 12, 10:43 pm, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 12, 6:22 pm, forbisga...@msn.com wrote:
I gave you the link to the executive order saying so. You show me the
link to otherwise.
hint: danny has no evidence to back up is traitorous lies. He just
hates the military and everything America stands for.
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Active duty US Army 1995-present. Now, how much do I hate the military? |
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